ketosis

Gearedup
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28 Apr 2010 16:50 #43357 by Gearedup

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Lol I think on the back says sugar polyps or something.

She also complaining her mouth has a strange taste,which I take as a good sign

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Sting
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28 Apr 2010 16:55 #43358 by Sting

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Once she's in ketosis she will barely crave carbs or sweets...keep them for the cheat meal.

The strange taste is the ketones, give her a rennie (those sweets for heart burn) if the taste is bothering her, the bicarbonate will neutralise the acidity in her mouth

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milktuds
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28 Apr 2010 17:07 #43359 by milktuds

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LOL. Not nice DJ.

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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Empire
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28 Apr 2010 17:10 #43360 by Empire

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:nana :evil: :nana2

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Gearedup
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28 Apr 2010 17:12 #43361 by Gearedup

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Will pass on the info,so good chance she is in ketosis at the moment

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Sting
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28 Apr 2010 19:19 #43362 by Sting

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milktuds wrote:

LOL. Not nice DJ.

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milktuds
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28 Apr 2010 19:53 #43363 by milktuds

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DJ edited my posts.

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Sting
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28 Apr 2010 19:56 #43365 by Sting

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oh, i see now lol

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 09:03 #43380 by Gearedup

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Coke zero / sprite zero in limited amounts ? I am certain she has dropped into keto yesterday day 3,day 4 now and still going strong.clothes apparently loser which would be the initial waterloss

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Sting
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29 Apr 2010 09:16 #43381 by Sting

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Sprite zero a and tab. Coke zero has caffeine, you want to stay away from caffeine. Oh and fanta zero (yum yum)

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 09:26 #43382 by Gearedup

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Yes she stopped all coffee etc.this is one of the first people that I have come across that is determined and has followed everything to the letter.its facinating to see how like clockwork everything slots in etc.

Need to find somewhere to send her to get bf done on a week to week basis

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admin
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29 Apr 2010 09:35 #43383 by admin

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I just just going to ask about coke zero, but you guys answered my question already. Karma+

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BB_guy
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29 Apr 2010 09:43 #43384 by BB_guy

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The reason for not consuming caffeine, is it because it will cause a spike in insulin ?

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 09:47 #43385 by Gearedup

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I think it realises cortisal which is detremental to muscle sparing ?

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Sting
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29 Apr 2010 10:03 #43386 by Sting

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BB_guy wrote:

The reason for not consuming caffeine, is it because it will cause a spike in insulin ?

yeah caffeine and those sweeteners i mentioned mimick sugar which cause slight insulin spikes. That's also why u stay away from stimulants while on keto. since you are not taking in sugar and there is an insulin spike then muscle is catabolised to form glucose.

ps thanx admin.

oh, also the presence of insulin signals the body to come out of ketosis, which you want to try and avoid unless you are having a cheat meal

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 10:06 #43387 by Gearedup

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Aaahhhhh

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BB_guy
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29 Apr 2010 10:07 #43389 by BB_guy

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AAAH thanx that was gonna be my next question... How does a spike in insulin levels effect the state of ketosis when there is no glycogen in the body... but you already answered that :-)

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 10:18 #43390 by Gearedup

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Now onto cheat meal,I am pushing her 14 days till first carb up which will be next week sunday ,last meal of the day ,what should she be aiming for ? When I did keto with dj my carb up was massive as I aimed for 500g odd carbs in whatever form.

What would a decent carb up be for her and still over a 2 hour window period ?should she push longer than 14 days,first short term goal is 4 weeks ago,but I know the carb up is essential to thyriod stimulation.

*on a personal level would I require a carb up if I am already taking t3* just for future reference ?

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Sting
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29 Apr 2010 10:45 #43393 by Sting

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Thanx for the 2nd karma.

Dj is helping me with keto at the moment, he suggested I carb up to 300g of carbs over 3 hours. Glycogen is already depleted within about two days especially if you train so if she trains during the second week of keto, then she should carb up after 14 days, 4 weeks is really pushing it and honestly you can feel when u need to carb up, your body will tell you it's time.

Hmmm, Im not too sure about the T3 question (dj should rather answer that) as I haven't used it yet but I assume that you will still need to carb up as glycogen is still used up in the end. From what I understand the T3 just kicks your metabolism up so you burn calories more effectively. So yes I would still carb up but double check with the squirrel

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Empire
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29 Apr 2010 10:59 #43395 by Empire

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yip,still do a carb up/refeed once a week even if u are using your t3,leptin levels will still drop on t3 and thats basically what the refeed does,it will boost leptin levels,replenishes glycogen stores and keeps u mentally sane for a weeks worth of dieting.

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 11:02 #43396 by Gearedup

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Oh no wasn't suggesting pushing till 4 weeks before carb up.she has been training this week,which I think has helped get her into keto quickly.

What are your telltale signs you need a carb up beesting ?

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Sting
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29 Apr 2010 11:07 #43397 by Sting

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You can just feel it...you will be weak and sluggish, even walking will feel like a mission and gym will feel like a B****, well that's how it is for me, but Im sure something along those lines

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Empire
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29 Apr 2010 11:09 #43398 by Empire

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you will need to carb up at least once a week after the initial 2 weeks,after 5-6days of low calories your body starts going into starvation and thyroid levels drop,if her bowel movements start slowing or become irregular,or she is starting to get cold and body tempreature is lower then u know 1.) the thyroid levels are dropping. 2.) a refeed/carb up is needed. 3.) she maybe over training.

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Gearedup
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29 Apr 2010 11:10 #43399 by Gearedup

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Interesting,those were my signs as well pity it was every 3 days for me,I really struggled getting to 7 day mark,usually carbed up every 5 to 6 days or so lol

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Empire
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29 Apr 2010 11:13 #43400 by Empire

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if thats the case your overall daily calories might be on the low side and may need to be adjusted...

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