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Rear delts are also the most painless site to pin. Was sceptical at first but it works like a dream.
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Even if we injected 100% pure steroid with no ester attached there would no site growth because anabolic effects are systemic. The steroid hormones do cause growth by attaching to androgen receptors at the injection site and making them grow. That is broscience. Steroids cause growth systemically by increasing IGF1 production in the liver, increased nitrogen retention and protein synthesis, enhanced nutrient shuttling efficiency and all that complex crap.
I've tried this before as well in delts. I also noticed slight growth but it was temporary and if anything I benefited less than my normal glute shots because of the reduced bioavailability when injecting in to delts vs glutes.
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Care to explain this plz MA. Haven't heard that one before.
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Muscleaddict wrote: Ok. Just have to find the pdf's quick so I can be sure about the figures.
Ok thanx man
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Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in oil vehicle: effects of ester, injection site and injection volume
Twenty-three men were ran- domized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate or nandrolone decanoate injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal or deltoid muscles.
Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection.
Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.
The absolute bioavailability of nandrolone from i.m. injections of esters was significantly higher for nandrolone decanoate injected into gluteal muscle with a 1-ml volume (73%), compared with the other three groups (53–56%).
Reference: THE JOURNAL OF PHARMACOLOGY AND EXPERIMENTAL THERAPEUTICS Vol. 281:93–102
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Muscleaddict wrote: That study was supported by Organon who manufacture Deca. It is a 10 page publication that doesn't miss a thing so it seems totally legit wrt the numbers.
Interesting. So what happens when glute sites are saturated and need to pin elsewhere? U basically waisting gear?
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However - i am going to give PGW long esters a shot soon... (1st long ester cycle in years...)
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Oupa wrote: Thx for the info MA. I still grow like a MothaF pinning delts. I have no option but to rotate pinning sites as i use prop esters.
However - i am going to give PGW long esters a shot soon... (1st long ester cycle in years...)
Yeah this is just one of those things. At the end of the day none of use have noticed the difference but it's worth keeping in mind.
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