Need cycle advice please guys

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum and would really appreciate any advice given on my upcoming cycle I have planned.
This will be my 3rd injectable cycle and have done a few oral only cycles (yes I know, big mistake ) oral cycles were dbol only, winstrol only, anavar and proviron only all with proper pct.

Injectable cycle history:
1. 12 weeks test e 600mg per week, anavar for 6 weeks with proviron throughout
2. 14 weeks test e 600mg per week, deca 350mg per week with proviron (test run 2 weeks longer than deca)

My new cycle I was thinking of (hoping for a big one)
(Not sure if brand names are allowed to be mentioned on here)
But here goes:
PGW Supertest 320 - 2mls per week
PGW Equipoise 350 - 2mls per week
Tbol 50mg per day for first 5 weeks

My questions are as follows and please feel free to give any advice:
How long should this cycle be run for? I have heard eq needs to he run for long to see decent results
Is this too big of a cycle for a 3rd cycle?
A friend of mine suggested adding test prop to this also but I do not see the point as I will be pinning twice a week (mon and thurs) and not sure if prop will be of any use as I have read it needs to be pinned eod...

Another friend of mine has given me one pen of norditropin hgh 1.5mls which equates to 30ius, I was thinking of running gh with this cycle starting at 2ius and working my way up to 4ius for a split of 6 days on 1 day off.. For 6 months. If I did start the gh would it be best to use gear in the last couple months or in the first couple or should I just stay away from the gh completely? I have one pen and wouldn't like it to go to waste.

Sorry this is a very long post but I really need advice from some experienced users.
I am currently 210lbs at 10% bf

Merry Christmas everyone I look forward to your advice!!!

Thanks a million guys

Hey bro welcome to the forum and hope you have an amazing christmas. You know how we feel about oral only cycles so no comment there but your injectable cycles look good to me. In your second cycle I would just have upped the Deca as I feel that 350mg/week is too low to really see the proper benefits. Your third cycle looks good nothing wrong with those compounds and the dosages you suggest. How long are you planning on running the cycle? Any reason why you want to switch from Test-En to supertest?

Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!
Yeah I agree the second cycle I should have upped the deca and I started getting a bit of Gyno off of it, not sure if this was from the deca? But I have heard awesome things about equi hence why I chose it.

I chose supertest as the short esters get to work much quicker, and also I find I get very frustrated on test e as it takes long to kick in.. What do you suggest?

Also about the test prop, should I include it?
And any advice about ai's on cycle? Should I include proviron at 60mgs per day or maybe another?

Last question is about the gh.. What do you suggest?

Sorry for all the questions but any feedback will be much appreciated!

Cheers

I would rather use enanthate or cypionate and inject prop with it. Supertest hurts me like a mofo.

I have heard supertest does hurt but when used with equi it helps make it more smooth?
So if I had to use enanthate I would still have to jab prop eod or could I get away with 2 jabs per week?

Thanks for the advice!
Cheers

Prop eod.

For how long?
Any advice about the gh and also the total length of the cycle? I've heard with supertest I need to wait 36 days before starting pct also
Cheers

Ducler Des Rauches wrote: Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!
Yeah I agree the second cycle I should have upped the deca and I started getting a bit of Gyno off of it, not sure if this was from the deca? But I have heard awesome things about equi hence why I chose it.

I chose supertest as the short esters get to work much quicker, and also I find I get very frustrated on test e as it takes long to kick in.. What do you suggest?

Also about the test prop, should I include it?
And any advice about ai's on cycle? Should I include proviron at 60mgs per day or maybe another?

Last question is about the gh.. What do you suggest?

Sorry for all the questions but any feedback will be much appreciated!

Cheers

If you got gyno from the Deca only and not at all from the test in your first cycle then that would mean that you are prone to prolactin gyno. You can use cabasser to combat this. Try the EQ and see if it works for you but remember you have to run it super long to get the real benefits from it because it is attached to the very long undecylenate ester. Equipoise does not aromatase so you do not need an AI for it. About the test: it is a personal choice which test to use. Test is test is test. Try the supertest and see if it works for you. Remember that supertest contains test prop which can be used as a frontload so in this case I would not suggest the T-Bol frontload as well. I would include Proviron in any cycle as there really are no negative side effects at all it can only do you good. It is more of a question of whether you have the cash to burn and 60mg is perfect. About the GH I don't feel comfortable with giving advice yet as I don't feel like I have mastered it yet only a basic knowledge. The mods like DJ or MA or Admin will be able to give you world class advice.

Thanks again for your valued advice!!
Am thinking of either cutting the test prop out completely or doing the following:
Supertest: 640mg per week
Equipoise: 700mg per week
Tbol: 50mgs per day for first 5 days
Proviron: 60mgs per day throughout

OR

Supertest: 640mg per week
Equipoise: 700mg per week
Test prop: 200mg per week for how long?
No tbol
Proviron: 60mgs per week throughout

I have never heard of cabasser and don't really have access to this.. I can only get things like proviron, adex, letrozole, hcg

How long should I run this cycle for? Could you perhaps help me structure it properly as I have an idea of what I want to use its just how to use it I'm struggling with...

I will find out as much as possible about the gh as I have enough cash to do 4ius per day 6 days a week for 6 months

Thanks again for all the help!!
Cheers

You won't need any ancilliaries for gyno other than Arimidex. So no cabasser will be fine as you are not running Nandrolone. Option 1 looks good to me. EQ needs to be run for atleast 15 weeks to see its proper benefits. You also have a lengthy bridge period have you thought of adding somethhing in here to really spice things up?

Am I correct in saying I will need to run the supertest longer than the equi? Or is that incorrect?
Well thanks again for the advice... I will keep adex on hand for Gyno and use proviron Ed...
Excuse me for being a newb but a bridge is the period between the last shot and pct right?

What do you suggest would be a good thing to add?
Cheers

Yes that's right bro! Popular choices are Winstrol or Anavar both with Proviron.

So if I run this cycle for 15 weeks will that be fine?
Then bridge for 36 days with anavar and proviron..
Will a standard pct of nolvadex and clomid be okay for this?
Appreciate the advice!!

Supertest contains short esters I would not run short esters for that long. Why don't you try test Cyp? If you want to use Anavar in your bridge I would suggest you start using it about three weeks before the start of the bridge to get the full benefits. That way you are using it for 8 weeks in total. For PCT I would do a full Doctari PCT (i.e Clomid, Nolva, HCG, Aromasin) and run the HCG during your cycle.

kkx250 wrote: I would rather use enanthate or cypionate and inject prop with it. Supertest hurts me like a mofo.

So would you suggest i run enanthate at 600mgs per week with 700mgs per week of equi for 15weeks?

Pyroclasm wrote: Supertest contains short esters I would not run short esters for that long. Why don't you try test Cyp? If you want to use Anavar in your bridge I would suggest you start using it about three weeks before the start of the bridge to get the full benefits. That way you are using it for 8 weeks in total. For PCT I would do a full Doctari PCT (i.e Clomid, Nolva, HCG, Aromasin) and run the HCG during your cycle.

I am contemplating changing now to test enanthate with equi and using tbol as a kickstart, maybe keep it more simple? as this is only my 3rd injectable cycle, and have used enanthate in the past, I have just heard great things (besides the pain) about supertest which is why i was considering running it. Is there a way to run the supertest and equi for long enough for the equi to kick in?

Test-En + EQ + T-Bol is exactly the cycle I just run. Had a super awesome bridge though with Winstrol, Clen, T3, but I found out I break out in spots when I use Winstrol so had to stop that after about a week. I agree with Kkx here leave the supertest and just run Test-En or Test-Cyp with the T-Bol frontload that makes for a great lean mass cycle with minimal admin.

Thanks again for the advice!
If I run 600mgs if test e (same amount as previous cycle) with 700mgs eq per week would that be fine?
Also will proviron at 60mgs per day be enough? I can get some arimidex also if need be?
Cheers

Yes that's right bro! You have quite a lengthy bridging period with that cycle. Have you thought of something to run in your bridge?

I've been doing some reading on the site and because of the equi the waiting time will be 50 days before pct, if that's correct?
Do I need to run the test longer than the equi? (Ran test 2 weeks longer than deca) and have never used equi before...

What are my options for a bridge? Anavar and proviron or winstrol and proviron?
Winstrol raised my lipid profile quite a lot when I used it on it's own and I have got cholesterol under control now so maybe var is the safer option?

For me there is no choice between the two Anavar is much better. Winstrol is much cheaper though so its just about whether you have the cash. EQ is really expensive so I know cash can become an issue. You can run the Proviron at about week 4, and if you decide to run Anavar for your bridge then I would start the Anavar 6 days before your last shot of EQ so that you have it for 8 weeks in total. That way you get the full benefits from the Anavar. The waiting period for EQ is 50 days and for test-en 36 days so you will run the test 50 - 36 = 14 days longer than the EQ.

Will there be any major differences between the supertest and test enanthate? I have used PGW test enanthate in my two previous cycles and was happy with the results, just found it took very long to kick in for me..

So my cycle should now look like this? Please correct me wherever I am going wrong

Weeks 1 to 15 test e 600mgs per week (same dosage as previous cycle)
Weeks 1 to 13 equi 700mgs per week
Weeks 1 to 6 tbol 50mgs per day
Weeks 4 to 15 proviron 60mgs per day (is this sufficient??)
Arimidex on hand (dosage? I can get 1mg tablets)

Options for bridge:
1. Weeks 12 to 20 anavar 80mgs per day
Proviron 60mgs per day

2. Weeks 14 to 20 winstrol (dosage for bridge??)
Proviron 60mgs per day

Please help with dosages and timing of everything as I have not done a bridge before, and also is the length of my cycle enough to reap full benefits of equi or should it be longer? If so how long?
Need some advice on structuring this cycle please..

Really appreciate the help
Cheers

sorry i am lazy today i did not read the whole thread but why dont you swap the equi for npp or deca for more size?

Yes that's absolutely spot on well done bro! Just something from my side- the half life for test-Cyp is 36 days whereas for test-en it's only 30 days. So run the Test-En 20 days longer than the EQ. For the Arimidex you will only use it if gyno symptoms appear. Symptoms include itchy/puffy nipples, lumps on the breast tissue, etc. Trust me you will know if there is something wrong. If you recognize these symptoms then use the Arimidex:
Week 1: 0.5mg ED (if symptoms do not subside after a couple of days then you can do 1mg ED like I did)
Week 2: 0.25mg ED
Week 3: 0.25mg EOD
It is important to taper down the AI to prevent estrogen rebound. When it comes to gyno rather be safe than sorry. If you think you have gyno, nip it in the bud immediately with your AI.

VonD wrote: sorry i am lazy today i did not read the whole thread but why dont you swap the equi for npp or deca for more size?

I chose equi because I'm looking for more lean gains, I was dum enough to get Gyno from deca off my last cycle lol, and it was only 1ml per week of pgw deca with 600mgs of test per week.