first cycle-testoviron,primo depot n proviron

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14 Aug 2013 14:17 #147432 by G-man
hi bro's
I'm new to the site and new to the world of steroids.
Just looking for solid advice with regards to my cycle options.first let's start with stats:
Age:32.weight:82kgs.height:1.79m.bodyfat:12-13%
Training experience:3years consistently
GOALS:5-6kgs solid mass.Harden up.Slow but steady strength gains(breaking plateaus).
I have no disillusions about steroids....IMO it's just the catalyst and diet n training are the foundations.
Not afraid of gyno sides,my biggest fear is aggression.
I wanna go with a low dose philosophy to see how my body n mind reacts to the drugs etc
here follow some simple cycles I have planned:
1.Bayer testoviron 250mgs/week.proviron ED.10 week cycle
2.testoviron 250mg/week.PGW Primo Depot 200/week.proviron ED.10/12 week cycle.
3.PGW 400/week.proviron ED.12week cycle
Option 2 being my favoured cycle,but I think the primo dose might be to little.
PCT protocols will be in-check-nolva n clomid
Considering having a AI on hand like arimidex??
Training n Diet will be clean consistent.
Thanx for your time

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14 Aug 2013 15:35 #147446 by Oupa
Hi and welcome.

Lets first talk about your fear before we chat about gear.

I am intrigued about your aggression fear, please elaborate...
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14 Aug 2013 15:56 - 14 Aug 2013 15:58 #147451 by mike123
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I think he is worried about roid rage which IMO is a myth when u use test only...add tren then maybe ? test will give a feeling of well being ...enjoy B)
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14 Aug 2013 16:16 #147455 by Oupa
Ye but just now the dude is a family man and on aggression meds already. Lets wait and see ;)
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14 Aug 2013 16:51 #147461 by G-man
I'm not overly aggressive no....I have my moments when people make me a Lil angry,but I suppose I have that under wraps.....Any advice on my cycles?

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14 Aug 2013 18:26 #147468 by Herbst
I have learnt a lot from the guys here, I favour primo, test e and anavar. With maybe a proviron at 40 mg per day.
Diet and training are as important as the gear.
Pyro is sharp with the dieting side. Let Oupa and the chaps guide you on gear and doses and then post your stats on the dieting section, this way your whole process is spot on.

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14 Aug 2013 23:04 #147491 by Oupa
G-man

Something you might find interesting before considering 250mg test a week...

Muscleaddict wrote: a healthy guy makes around 70mg of testosterone on a good week, but when injecting 250mg of test cyp you must realise that 40mg of that is ester weight, leaving 210mg of testosterone and then you need to take into account the reduced bioavailability of IM injections which are also affected by injection location leaving you between about 50%-75% bioavailability before you have to deal with other factors in the body. A 250mg injection will not even double serum testosterone levels in most average young guys with say a normal 650ng/dl test level.



500mg per week. twice a week 1ml - 250mg is perfect.[/quote]
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14 Aug 2013 23:55 #147496 by G-man
can I go with option 2 then.....stack 250 testoviron with the primo 200 per week....will that be sufficient for a first cycle?

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14 Aug 2013 23:59 #147497 by G-man
or should i just stick with the test for my first cycle.....please also comment on cycle length and a suitable cost effective AI.thanx

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15 Aug 2013 00:05 #147498 by Oupa
Consider

Testoviron @ 500mg pw week 1 - 12
Primo @ 400mg pw week 1 - 12
Proviron @ 40mg each day week 1 - 12 or right up to pct 30 days later.

Arimidex or Letro for AI
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15 Aug 2013 17:06 #147557 by Pyroclasm
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Leave the Primo for your first cycle seriously it's gonna make a crater in your wallet dude and its not necessary. Take the money you would spend on the primo and buy some proper meat with it.

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15 Aug 2013 19:43 #147598 by G-man
that's exactly what I thought,but I'm sitting on 10 ml primo already so im kind of trying to build my cycle around that.ive heard alot of good things about this substance and I'm very eager to try it.....I needles advice.....I know oupas cycle dosage is correct but being noob I'm still a bit scared.......

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15 Aug 2013 19:46 #147600 by Pyroclasm
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Nothing to be scared about at these dosages and for these compounds. Trust me when I tell you it has been done before. ;)

This is kinda what I'm preaching at the moment: Just because you stumbled upon certain chemicals doesn't mean you HAVE TO use them in your next cycle. If I was you I would keep it for my second cycle. Test and Primo for a second cycle is top quality man!

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16 Aug 2013 00:09 - 16 Aug 2013 00:16 #147675 by manery
Listen to pyro and the others keep it simple. See how your body reacts to just Test.

week 1-10 Test E 600mg

My very good friend did this cycle as his 1st and gained 13kgs off it and kept 9kgs.
This is your 1st cycle, leave the primo it really isnt needed and wont do fuckall at 200mg EW. The most important part about your first cycle and any cycle is to fucking kill yourself in the gym, make sure your calorie consumption is were it needs to be for you to achieve your goal/s and obviously using a respectable brand to insure quality... *cough PGW cough.

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16 Aug 2013 07:05 #147683 by G-man
okey respect guys you've convinced me....and yes I know all the guys here swear by PGW but for now I have my hands on some Bayer Testoviron so I'm goung to run that for the moment and maybe use some anavar on my last 4 weeks of the cycle??thanks for the advice.....my mind has opened lol

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16 Aug 2013 15:06 #147755 by Pyroclasm
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Anavar needs to be run for at least 6 weeks to see the full benefits from it, 8 weeks is optimal.

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