Primobolan questions

Primobolan questions

Hi gents,

So regarding primobolan. According to the article on this site primo is best used in as an oral (due to ease of blood stabilization), 600mg-1000mg /week, and minimum of 12 weeks. I have read from other good sources that the injectable form is more potent though and effects will be greater.

Questions as follows:
1) Injectable form is methenolone enanthate, testosterone enanthate is notorious for injection pain. Will the same be experienced using primo enan? An anecdotal comparison would be valuable.

2) The advised cycle length as per this site is 12 weeks minimum, I'm assuming that's in injectable form, not oral. Even though the oral should not give hepatoxic problems.

3) Potency of injectable vs. oral? Is stable blood levels the only reason this site advises oral over injection?

4) If injected, will twice weekly pinning suffice? For example Monday and Thursday, as opposed to every 3 or 4 days on the dot? Or will that screw up stability issues?

5) If anyone has made a log of a sole primobolan or primo and test cycle, please share. I’d love to read it and save you some explanation.

Cheers for the help guys

Hey furk, I personally have no experience with this compound but I can maybe give some input.

1. Not all enanthate estered compounds have pip. But from what I have gathered so far there is pip from the 200mg/ml version. But that also only lasted 2 days. This was also taken with test prop so that could have added to it.

2. Injectable form yes but I have read guys using the oral version for 8 week cycles.

3. I would go with the injectable. The oral version has low bio-availability.

4. Twice a week will suffice yes plus it will make injection times easy to keep to.

Hope that helped.

Furk wrote: Primobolan questions

Hi gents,

So regarding primobolan. According to the article on this site primo is best used in as an oral (due to ease of blood stabilization), 600mg-1000mg /week, and minimum of 12 weeks. I have read from other good sources that the injectable form is more potent though and effects will be greater.

Min of 12 weeks yes, but 600mg - 1000mg.. not needed. The injectable is much more potent yes. The oral has to pass through the liver, and the actual steroid that in you blood is much less. You will need to drink a shit load of orals to have +- 300mg active steroid in your blood.

Questions as follows:
1) Injectable form is methenolone enanthate, testosterone enanthate is notorious for injection pain. Will the same be experienced using primo enan? An anecdotal comparison would be valuable.

I do not agree with that. Read my explanation below.

The results I have seen from the oral vs the injectable cannote even be compared. Not even when it comes to females. The injectable is far more superior and the side effects are absolutely minimal with both oral and injectable with both females and males. For first timers, virgin muscle with Primo will still bite, but so will any injectable steroid. Example. My wife had PIP with the first two injections primo on virgin muscle and she hated me LOL, but and after that, she has never ever complained again and loves the compound.

I do not recommend the oral for men, simply because you need a high dosage to really show results. Female cycles with oral primo works well as they need much less dosages than men.


2) The advised cycle length as per this site is 12 weeks minimum, I'm assuming that's in injectable form, not oral. Even though the oral should not give hepatoxic problems.

Based on experience with the injectable, I find no problems with 16 week cycles and results really begin to show 10 weeks in. Dosage Primo was @ 400mg per week. You are lean and will absolutely love this compound. Females are comfortable with dosages around 50mg-100mg per week. Honestly I feel the 100mg mark is too high for recreational female users, and 50mg a week gives incredible results. I had a slight increase in liver enzymes when i used 60mg Oral, nothing serious that one should be concerned about.

3) Potency of injectable vs. oral? Is stable blood levels the only reason this site advises oral over injection?

Explained


4) If injected, will twice weekly pinning suffice? For example Monday and Thursday, as opposed to every 3 or 4 days on the dot? Or will that screw up stability issues?

Inject Mondays and Thursdays 400mg total, and 1ml per pin day. That’s the sweet spot for your average size lean male.

5) If anyone has made a log of a sole primobolan or primo and test cycle, please share. I’d love to read it and save you some explanation.

Test E @ 300mg pw + Primo 400mg pw will give you the lean quality muscle look if you have developed your core properly.

Ask as many questions as you want, even if they may seem stupid. I have vast xp with this compound.

Cheers for the help guys

People with no patience, and that have a bodyfat higher than 12%, primo is not for you.

Thanks so much for the input. Very limited online access right now, will post a proper reply in the future.

First off, thanks again Oupa and Fakey, I suspected injectable to be superior to oral in any compound, wonder why pump00 was so pro Primobolan in the on site article though? Here comes my next round of questions:

1) When using more than one injectable compound for a cycle, should you aim for a total/ minimum/ maximum per week? Are there any common rules other than the standard dosage advice per single compound?

2) More general question: I’ve found test is always advocated to be used with a cycle, even if there are other compounds to cover all bases (androgen and anabolic). I’ve read of people that got great results using only 1 type of injectable that’s not test. Your thoughts on this? Thinking outside the box, say maybe there is a specific goal this person wanted to achieve, will this be an alright way to approach? Surely test isn’t required in every situation. For example I reckon Primo, Mast and Var will get you rock solid if your foundation is good and BF is low, or Halo and T-bol will get your really strong.

3) If Test Enan is not an option, what does a cycle of Cyp and Primo sound like? Injecting Cyp once and Primo twice a week? From previous discussions it seems sides of Cyp can be controlled; it doesn’t have to make you round and puffy if you eat and train right. After doing Prop I’m keen for less frequent injections if I do cycle again.


Thanks so much! Looking forward to your answers and opinions.

Um, let me try and see what i can add here

1.) Think of it this way the less you use the more play you have for the next cycle, sometimes you can use the same compound/compounds at the same dosages and still get good/decent results. (always keep diet and training in mind as this can change the results or outcome of any cycle)

2.) The reason why test is always advocated is for libido reasons and overall feeling of well being. Yes you can run a tren only cycle but you will be miserable and feel "kak". As males we need testosterone in our bodies just to function normally. Look how many people complain of depression and overall feeling of being down and miserable when they pct or after pct because of low test levels. With that said it is possible to do a cycle without but not the best idea. So i would personally always advocate at least a maintenance dose of test and i promise you, you can still get rock hard and lean with it.

3.) Test cyp @ 200-250mg a week (depending on ugl) with 400-600mg primo can be an awesome cycle and you can even add an AI at a light dose to keep bloat away completely but with that also be carefull not to destroy estrogen completely as this will hinder gains.

Hope that helped

I can only talk from personal experience and TestProp is infamous for PIP not TestEn.
I Always run TestProp100 to front load, not big on orals, PIP every fricken time.
But even on TestEn300 no issues of PIP.

True or false u keep gains from primo ?

More so than other gear to my understanding mike123.

I am soon to be running the following cycle:

• TestCyp - 250mg/wk for 10 weeks (1 to 10)
• Oral Primo - 700mg/wk for 8 weeks (6 to 13)
• Proviron - 700mg/wk for 3 weeks (11 to 13)

Serious diet and training effort will be included, will log all my stats and share the progress, should be a good'n

DMZ wrote: I am soon to be running the following cycle:

• TestCyp - 250mg/wk for 10 weeks (1 to 10)
• Oral Primo - 700mg/wk for 8 weeks (6 to 13)
• Proviron - 700mg/wk for 3 weeks (11 to 13)

Serious diet and training effort will be included, will log all my stats and share the progress, should be a good'n

Not to high jack or derail the thread but i would serious consider test prop instead of cyp if you going with oral primo.

DMZ wrote: I am soon to be running the following cycle:

• TestCyp - 250mg/wk for 10 weeks (1 to 10)
• Oral Primo - 700mg/wk for 8 weeks (6 to 13)
• Proviron - 700mg/wk for 3 weeks (11 to 13)

Serious diet and training effort will be included, will log all my stats and share the progress, should be a good'n

Cool man, I will follow your progress for sure! PS: A bit short for a cyp cycle maybe? Keep us updated!

@Fakey: Why do you advise so??

DMZ wrote: I am soon to be running the following cycle:

• TestCyp - 250mg/wk for 10 weeks (1 to 10)
• Oral Primo - 700mg/wk for 8 weeks (6 to 13)
• Proviron - 700mg/wk for 3 weeks (11 to 13)

Serious diet and training effort will be included, will log all my stats and share the progress, should be a good'n

Your cycle will be a waist of money bud. This cycle doesn't make sense...

Oupa wrote:

DMZ wrote: I am soon to be running the following cycle:

• TestCyp - 250mg/wk for 10 weeks (1 to 10)
• Oral Primo - 700mg/wk for 8 weeks (6 to 13)
• Proviron - 700mg/wk for 3 weeks (11 to 13)

Serious diet and training effort will be included, will log all my stats and share the progress, should be a good'n

Your cycle will be a waist of money bud. This cycle doesn't make sense...

Hey Oupa, you agree not enough test and not cycle length not long enough? Also don't understand why the short use of Proviron.

Why use a long ester test at a maintenance dose that only really kicks in half way through cycle and then bridge oral primo and proviron to pct? unnecessary cycle length just to use primo as your main compound. That's why I would use test prop, it will shorten cycle length and works quicker plus both compounds will do there thing at the same time. I would also lower proviron and use it longer to reap the benefits of how it binds to SHBG making the cycle even better.

Add an AI and super strict diet and you got yourself an awesome comp stack with minimum impact on your body compared to a tren and winny stack for example.

Or adjust test prop dose depending on your goal, bulk or cut.

Fakey_AK wrote: Why use a long ester test at a maintenance dose that only really kicks in half way through cycle and then bridge oral primo and proviron to pct? unnecessary cycle length just to use primo as your main compound. That's why I would use test prop, it will shorten cycle length and works quicker plus both compounds will do there thing at the same time. I would also lower proviron and use it longer to reap the benefits of how it binds to SHBG making the cycle even better.

Add an AI and super strict diet and you got yourself an awesome comp stack with minimum impact on your body compared to a tren and winny stack for example.

Or adjust test prop dose depending on your goal, bulk or cut.

Thanks for clarifying Fakey. I was thinking along what you suggested below:

Fakey_AK wrote: 3.) Test cyp @ 200-250mg a week (depending on ugl) with 400-600mg primo can be an awesome cycle and you can even add an AI at a light dose to keep bloat away completely but with that also be carefull not to destroy estrogen completely as this will hinder gains.

Maybe with a tbol kicker to help out while you wait for he long esters? Cheers mate

Furk wrote: More so than other gear to my understanding mike123.

yep I have read up on primo in the articles sect which says u keep gains but not less than 600mg a week for at least 12 weeks ....was wondering if there were users that could confirm ? Oups ?

I want to try pumps cycle next year

You dont really need that much primo, 400mg on maintenance calories for 20 weeks will give you solid lean quality muscle. 600mg + at surplus gives much better size, but you will loose what your genetics cant support anyway when you diet becomes shitty and training intensity lowers.

If you are a recreational steroid user, i believe that slow quality muscle gains and core development is the way to go. Oversize bloat based gorillas with fucked up posture looks terrible.

Its all personal goal dependent, but gains on primo is only as maintainable as what your system can support.

Hi Oupa

Sorry to jump on the band wagon with questions about primobolan, im just about to start my course of

week1-12 Test E- 500mg a week
Primo (inject) 2mls a week
6 weeks of Winstrol tabs: 50mg a day

my question is should i take the wiiny for the 1st 6 weeks or last 6 weeks of the course, I have read a lot of forums and the answers seemed to be mixed, some say run it the 1st 6 weeks and others the last?

and do you think the dosages are ok

Im 30 years old
6'2
120kgs
with about 18% body fat
been training for going on 11 years now and i am on a high protein low carbs diet

I have enough size for now just want to cut

thanks for all your advice

Hi and welcome to the forums.

The cycle is not going to cut you. Diet combined with your training program will do the cutting. The high protein low carb diet info doesn't help much, you need to eat about 500 calories below your maintenance calories.

Trust me when i say your cycle will be money flushed down the toilet if your diet is not in check.

Open a topic, post your daily diet, and let the diet guru's help you optimize your cycle and diet.

As for the cycle, its a good one but leave the winnies for the last 6 weeks. What is 2ml's Primo ? whats the mg per ml ?

Oupa wrote: You dont really need that much primo, 400mg on maintenance calories for 20 weeks will give you solid lean quality muscle.

Sounds like a plan, will look into something like this. 20 weeks of primo is going to be expensive though.

Oupa wrote: Its all personal goal dependent, but gains on primo is only as maintainable as what your system can support.

You reckon var will give better retention vs. primo?

Furk wrote:

Oupa wrote: You dont really need that much primo, 400mg on maintenance calories for 20 weeks will give you solid lean quality muscle.

Sounds like a plan, will look into something like this. 20 weeks of primo is going to be expensive though.

PGW Primo 200 @ 2ml a week (400mg) and 4 weeks at worst per vial... unfortunately it will be expensive yes.

Oupa wrote: Its all personal goal dependent, but gains on primo is only as maintainable as what your system can support.

You reckon var will give better retention vs. primo?


Honestly i cannot comment on var & retention because i cannot use var. Perhaps the other members that ran both compounds can compare results based on personal experience. Soz bud.

Hi Oupa

thanks for such a quick response i really appreciate it and your advice about the winny

The primo is 100mg per 1ml, so will be running 200mgs per week

Do you think this is too low?



Here is my basic diet im going to be sticking to for the 12 weeks


Breakfast: 90grams oats + Zylitol & 8egg whites

Mid Morning: 1 Tin tuna + 90grams pineapple

Lunch: 2 Chicken Breasts (or other lean meat), 90grams white basmati rice & 100grams mixed vegetables

Afternoon snack 90grams Lean Biltong

Post-Workout: 2 Scoops Optimum Nutrition gold standard Whey shake + 1 teaspoon (5g) Glutamine

Dinner: 2 Chicken breasts or 2 Hake Fillets & 100grams of GREEN vegetables only


Sorry didn't know if i should post my diet here or put it in another forum.



I'm currently training 6 days a week doing super and giant sets

Monday: chest & bi''s
Tuesday: Back and Tris
Wednesday: legs and shoulders
Thurs: chest and bi's
Friday: back and tri's
Saturday legs and shoulders

With 30 min interval cardio after weight training
Thursday, Friday, Saturday routine and exercises are different Monday Tuesday and Wednesday

@Choppa, work out what your daily caloric and macro needs are, work out what your posted diet provides, start a new thread about it. Other members will help you for sure bud.

Thanks Furk will do

do you guys think my primo dose of 200mgs a week is too low