SARMS (SELECTIVE ANDROGEN RECEPTOR MODULATORS)

What are your guys views on SARMS?
seems pretty decent but not too much research has been done yet?

Well, my view on the subject is......I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I would however like to find out.

gooogle it bro!

Done as we speak!

Seems great, but with all the research (11 years worth), what would prices come in at for products like these?

www.sarmsinfo.com/

thats what i thought, gear without the side effects!

bro SARMS are a load of shit!
MHP came out with sarm-x, basically they labelled it as a SARM.
fooled millions and millions of people!
It was actually DHEA and some acid cant remember exact name.

Anthony Roberts wrote something about it in Muscle Evolution... He emailed me as well, but I wasn't really interested in the stuff so didn't pay much attention... he was very worked-up on the subject and said it will become very famous soon!

some of the side effects they describe it will avoid are -prostate, hairline, sebaceous glands, and secondary sexual organs.and also liver toxicity.

personally i have found that these side effects are not as evident as the media and various medical write ups would like us to beleive.they can easily be controlled and in some individuals they arent present at all.

and i dont think it is possible to design an anabolic steroid that does not cause testicular atrophy and the other associated structural damages that come with long term steroid use.

if they could design someting like that then it wouldnt be a steroid and wouldnt exert any muscle building effect at all.

thus,i tend to beleive that this could merely be a marketing gimmic.

Honestly, I disagree...

I would love to get my hands on something that I can use for very extended periods without getting shutdown and avoid the side-effects. ALL steroids users experience the above mentioned side-effects, but we have no choice but to tolerate them as there is no alternative. (Except SARMs... if you can get them)

And technically SARMs aren't steroids and they are in the same class as SERMs, so I see allot of reasons why we should keep our eyes on SARMs

I'm going to try and locate a supplier right now...

even if SARMS could be produced
i doubt they would be.

it would completely destroy the market for pharmaceutical steroids
and the manufacturing of raw materials which could eventually be the end of steroids all together.

and i'm pretty sure none of us want that

well said Admin,i 2nd that!

Steriods without the side affects cant be cheap?

mark84 wrote:

even if SARMS could be produced
i doubt they would be.

it would completely destroy the market for pharmaceutical steroids
and the manufacturing of raw materials which could eventually be the end of steroids all together.

and i'm pretty sure none of us want that

They are already made by GTx Inc and called Ostarine.

The idea is to replace testosterone altogether and since it can be patented it means big bucks for the pharmaceutical company who gets there first. Testosterone can't be patented as it is a natural hormone.

I see a new era for SARM development happening soon, just the same as what happened with Steroid hormones.

I don't want the end of steroids, but that will not happen as the Chinese will just make more and prices will drop as the focus shifts to new drugs. HGH is getting cheaper everyday as more attention is given to IGF and MGF.

The raw material for SARMs such as Acetamidoxolutamide is already available in the US and now that is what I'm after.

Here is a sample that AR got:

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Endomorph wrote:

Steriods without the side affects cant be cheap?

Yeah, they will be expensive initially, but wait until the Chinese can get a constant supply going and I have already made contact with half of the UG labs to help me secure some raw's.

I would love for this to become readily available... just imagine a drug that is not a steroid but has the same effects as testosterone propionate, and only about 1/3 as androgenic. There is no converstion to DHT and no conversion to estrogen - meaning that no more AI's, gyno, bloat, BP problems ect.

And since it doesn't affect the HPTA axis, no PCT is needed and you will not get shutdown, so you can use it when and for how long you want. It's also oral and not toxic with a half-life of about 4 hours... same as Dbol.

sounds too good to be true but if it comes EVERYONE will be huge. The only reason that everyone is not on juice is because lots of peeps are bang for side effects. Now imagine a steroid with no side effects that would be the most popular pharmacutical after viagra. i doubt it but lets see.

Brilliant for medicine if they can make this stuff.
I'l sit around and check for weird things happening to the okes using them - say about 10 years, and then start.

I know a guy who knows a guy... who knows a guy that can supply me some SARMs, so I will let you guys know how it goes.

This stuff if legal at the moment, so when I get some, I will gladly sell it to anyone who is interested.

Remember, this is not a steroid and it doesn't even have the chemical structure of testosterone that all steroids have. SARMs have been placed on the doping list, but there is still no test to detect it.

Ok, price is more than I expected... will have to win the lotto...

Interesting real world usage:
forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=301864
www.anonymousbodybuilding.com/forum/thread12121.html
endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/en.2005-0572v1
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17023534

when u say the price is more than expected what are we looking at much more than hgh?Also is it available in sa and under which pharmacutical name is it wanna spea to my pharmacist

Great! I've made a deal and will get some finished samples and raw's soon... watch this space!

More info from my supplier:

The average dosage is from 50mg to 200mg daily split in 2 or 3 dosages for 6 to 8 weeks although I have used it for 4 weeks and got good results. Is recommended to take a break and use supplements to help you free up testosterone such as Divanillyltetrahydrofuran ( Nettle Leaf ) and L Carnitine L Tartrate to help clear up receptors.

There is a guy on Outlawmuscle who performed blood work after using Igf-1lr3 and Sarms and the results showed total serum testosterone normal but free testosterone was a bit low which can be explained due the fact that S4 mechanism of action is thru androgen receptors that is why proviron or divanillyl may be helpful to free up testosterone from receptors. ( this is just my theory no facts )

The average 200lb subject uses 100mg daily split in 2 or 3 dosages ( split in 3 is better )

PROS:

S4 is 91% orally Bio-available and is not methylated.
S4 is fast acting
S4 half life is of 4 hours
1mg of S4 is as anabolic as 1mg of test prop without the androgenic sides
S4 does not aromatize
The average dosage is from 0.5mg to 1.5mg per kilogram of bodyweight for up to 6 or 8 weeks PCT is not needed but recommended.

CONS:

S4 will cause blurred vision including yellow tint to color occasionally and also some will have a hard time adjusting vision in the dark.
S4 will not decrease total testosteroe in fact it will increase it or maintain it but it will decrease free testosterone levels because it binds to androgen receptors sometimes competing with free test. It is recommended to use either proviron or the herb nettle leaf extract ( 3,4 divanillytetrahydrofuran ) to free up test from receptors.

Other than that there are no other known negative side effects

Lesa wrote:

when u say the price is more than expected what are we looking at much more than hgh?Also is it available in sa and under which pharmacutical name is it wanna spea to my pharmacist

Expect to pay about R1000 - R1500 per month...

It is not available in any pharmacy and it can only be obtained in the research labs and elite underworld. (Until now!)

I will be the First in Africa to bring it to the average athlete or bodybuilder.

It was used for the first time in the 2008 Olympics and that will explain why records keep falling even when they claim athletes are "clean"