tren or deca?

Hi guys i've got pgw test cyp.
pretty new to cycles only done two in the past and wondering whether to stack with tren or deca?
I understand tren is hardcore and a little rough but is it worth it?
I'm not competing anytime soon hoping to next year, so a solid size gain is probably were im headed.
Also have some letro.
Any advice is welcomed

Thanks in advance.

well what were your last 2 cycles that you did? i wouldnt use tren just yet bud...

Kinda 2 very different results you're trying to compare there bud... Yours goals for this cycle will determine which, but like DJ said Tren aint to be taken lightly

Tren is the best drug I've ever used but its also a home wrecker! And it takes its toll on the body.

Hi I can see that you know your stuff please could you give me advice I am starting to train again I have used Deca before but did nothing for memy personal trainer now wants to put me on Test combo and Tren 100 please advice if this will work or what is your take on this?

vega5 wrote: Tren is the best drug I've ever used but its also a home wrecker! And it takes its toll on the body.

In your opinion what did you experience whilst on Tren.(its also a home wrecker) and what kinda side effects did you experience

I have never used Tren and want to know if it will work and what are the side effects.

Tren is awesome, the best injectable ive used by far, but definitely a home wrecker as Vega so nicely put it. Moody, nightmares, evil thoughts, harsh on kidneys as well. Blood pressure, liver toxic. Only use for Contest prep, else I would rather use NPP. NPP Rocks, especially at week 4 for me.

dj. previous cycles were clen and test prop and test prop and some masteron. so wat do you think am i not ready?

RandallMc let me put it this way, I have used steroids for many many years, and I will never touch Tren again, that stuff is just unpleasant, the only time I felt happy was when I was in the gym, and even then I was so angry, it really isn't a nice steroid.. So many other steroids work just as well, not as the same dose, but at higher dosage.. EQ + Master I find MUCH better than Tren, or EQ / Primo + Masteron, now that is a beautiful cycle with a low dose of test..

00pump. thanks alot. i was also skectic hence starting this forum. but i think it's best for me to stay away for now i'l go with the deca.

much appreciated guys thanks.

Guys can someone please help I still do not know what to do can I use Tren 100 and Test Combo will it work and what are all the side effects for a 1st time user I have used Deca and Anabol before but did nothing for me.

sorry skeptic not skectic lol

As stated Turner I presume you are going to be using Nomad, stay away, PGW Supertest would be a good base cycle with some equipoise 15 weeks. Stay away from Tren with your cycle experience, also Nomad Tren has Acetate and Enanthate, if you have not used tren before don't start with a long acting ester as the sides would take longer to subside

Turner wrote: Guys can someone please help I still do not know what to do can I use Tren 100 and Test Combo will it work and what are all the side effects for a 1st time user I have used Deca and Anabol before but did nothing for me.

first off what deca did you use? how many mg a week and for how long? what brand was it? if its nomad no wonder it didnt work, you would be best off just using a simple test cycle of test at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks, do not use tren for the time being,only after about 5-6 cycles consider tren.

Thanks for the advise now I know what to do much appreciated. Just 1 more thing I need to ask my supplier for what ever you have said I must use please could you give me the names that I must give him to get for me.

RandallMc wrote: Hi guys i've got pgw test cyp.
pretty new to cycles only done two in the past and wondering whether to stack with tren or deca?
I understand tren is hardcore and a little rough but is it worth it?
I'm not competing anytime soon hoping to next year, so a solid size gain is probably were im headed.
Also have some letro.
Any advice is welcomed

Thanks in advance.

Hi

If you want size, Deca is generally regarded as the better option. Most who have used Tren (and who can tolerate its side effects) extol its virtues on calorie reduced diets rather than for its mass building potential (though it is used as part of bulking cycles). In either case you will need to stack with Test to mitigate the negative sides from both Deca and Tren (usually reduced libido which may extend to inability to perform). Note, letro will not help you with progesterone related gyno. Finally, you state you plan to compete next year... a suggestion, if you are carrying excess body fat, rather drop this first before going after bulk.

Cheers

DesR wrote:

RandallMc wrote: Hi guys i've got pgw test cyp.
pretty new to cycles only done two in the past and wondering whether to stack with tren or deca?
I understand tren is hardcore and a little rough but is it worth it?
I'm not competing anytime soon hoping to next year, so a solid size gain is probably were im headed.
Also have some letro.
Any advice is welcomed

Thanks in advance.

Hi

If you want size, Deca is generally regarded as the better option. Most who have used Tren (and who can tolerate its side effects) extol its virtues on calorie reduced diets rather than for its mass building potential (though it is used as part of bulking cycles). In either case you will need to stack with Test to mitigate the negative sides from both Deca and Tren (usually reduced libido which may extend to inability to perform). Note, letro will not help you with progesterone related gyno. Finally, you state you plan to compete next year... a suggestion, if you are carrying excess body fat, rather drop this first before going after bulk.

Cheers

Nicely said..

Turner wrote: Thanks for the advise now I know what to do much appreciated. Just 1 more thing I need to ask my supplier for what ever you have said I must use please could you give me the names that I must give him to get for me.

Hi

I apologise in advance if you feel I am speaking out of turn but I doubt anyone on this board is going to be overly eagar to help based on the lack knowledge you are currently displaying (hence the short-ish answers you are getting). While that might seem a bit harsh, the issue is that you are looking to take drugs to help in your training when, it appears you do not have any background understanding on what it is those drugs actually do and what the problems are that these drugs might cause. To quote Dan Duchaine:

Rule #7: Most people who have taken massive amounts of steroids don't get sick, don't die, and don't go crazy.
Rule #8: ... Never assume that you are like 'most people' until you prove it."

The topic of steroid use is complex. However, it is important to know what to expect to ensure you are adequately prepared to deal with the side effects assuming you are negatively affected (especially as you are stating an interest in using a streoid which possibly has the worst side effect list for many). In an effort to try and help, please answer the following:

1. What are your objectives? This may seem a silly question, but what I really want to know is what you are using the steroids for? Are you an MMA fighter who wants strength not bulk? Are you a bodybuilder looking to gain size, or possibly a rugby player looking for a mix of stamina and strength?

2. You state you have used steroids before. How long ago was that and what doses did you use?

3. Have you done PCT? For that matter, do you know what PCT is?

4. How long since you started training again?

5. How old are you?

Again, I apologise for the possibly pointed questions, but while most on this board are more than happy to help, steroid use is not something you should persue without some foreknowledge. Drugs affect people very differently - Tren being a case in point. I love the stuff and use it whenever I can - thus far I have had absolutely zero side effects (apart from the positive ones). Clearly that has not been the case for many on this thread!!

Cheers

Thanks for this appreciate it.
To answer your questions I am 23 years old.
I used Deca and Sustanon for 6 weeks 2ml on Mondays and Wednesday I also used Anabol 5mg pills I do not know if it was Nomad or PGW not sure from which lab it was.
My objective is that I was size and also to be nicely cut.
I have almost no body fat mostly muscly but very small.
I do not know what is PCT is.
I was Training for about 6 months but stopped for about a month now and starting again this week want to start using the roids next week if it is feasible.

Thanks for this appreciate it.
To answer your questions I am 23 years old.
I used Deca and Sustanon for 6 weeks 2ml on Mondays and Wednesday I also used Anabol 5mg pills I do not know if it was Nomad or PGW not sure from which lab it was.
My objective is that I want to bulk, strength and also to be nicely cut.
I have almost no body fat mostly muscly but very small.
I do not know what is PCT is.
I was Training for about 6 months but stopped for about a month now and starting again this week want to start using the roids next week if it is feasible.

6 weeks means the drugs have just started to work in your body then you stopped them

PCT please refer to our article section, www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

Ok so then for how long should I have used the drugs.

Deca minimum of 12 weeks.. And you can't use Deca without test, so both the same period of time, however, you look around 14 weeks for a good solid cycle..

Turner wrote: Thanks for this appreciate it.
To answer your questions I am 23 years old.
I used Deca and Sustanon for 6 weeks 2ml on Mondays and Wednesday I also used Anabol 5mg pills I do not know if it was Nomad or PGW not sure from which lab it was.
My objective is that I want to bulk, strength and also to be nicely cut.
I have almost no body fat mostly muscly but very small.
I do not know what is PCT is.
I was Training for about 6 months but stopped for about a month now and starting again this week want to start using the roids next week if it is feasible.

Hi

1. Age is fine, though many on this board may feel you are a bit young
2. Deca and Sust - was this 2ml each or 1ml and 1ml? Re the Anabol, how many tabs per day? This isnt relevant for your future use, Im just being curious as I wanted to see if you were under-dosed. The time frame of 6 weeks was way to low for the Deca (assuming it was the long acting version). The long acting esters in the Sust would also not have had much time to help.
3. Ahhh... the holy grail then... just want a tablet that makes you cut, bulk and strong at the same time. :lol: Sorry, its a bit of an "in-joke" in the steroid community. Which one do you want to do first? Based on your low bodyfat assessment, I assume bulk? Sounds as if you are a bit of an endomorph (low bodyfat, difficulty building muscle???).
4. No PCT? - you need to kick your personal trainer in the nuts!!! The PCT section of this board has a sticky from Doctari, which can help. Also the actual concept behind PCT is discussed here - articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx
Have a read and Im sure any questions you might have afterwards will be happily answered. Suffice to say you should do some blood tests to see what your hormone levels are currently. Also, have you spoken to your doctor regarding your steroid use?
5. Suspect you may get roasted for wanting to use steroids only six months into training. However, that is not why I asked - I merely wanted to know what state your body was in, so as to reduce the possiblity of getting injured - there is nothing more frustrating than being all juiced up with no way to build the mass due to injury. You also need to understand that taking the magic pills puts a lot of stress on your system and that the fitter you are, the better prepared your body will be to handle the additional stress. In short, I would write off the idea of doing a course next week and concentrate on spending at least a few more months in the gym to ensure you are better prepared (especially in light of the fact that you had a lay-off).