Furk's Proposed Cycle & Log

Cheers mate, I assume you meant this thread (for anybodies reference):
How to prevent injection pain

Instructions say 150 degrees for 20 min. Will give feedback.

That one

This is just becoming ridiculous, followed the instructions exactly, but sometimes the site still hurts like hell. Any know how Benzyl Benzoate is available? The muscle in my glute now is really tight, pinned 3 days ago. I wince every time I tie my shoe laces, not to mention that driving is near impossible with this.

I'm off to tricep's and shoulder day though. Put Joint-Eze on (helps with muscles also) and popped some anti-inflamatories and pain killers. I've read on other forums prop is the most common (and painfull) gear this happens with. F**k me. Ruining my social life and cardio training.

Rub some voltaren on the site, wait a few minutes and stick a transact plaster on your but.

To other brothers reading this, this is why we always tell you to use test-en or test cyp for your first cycle.

Furk, try this: Inject directly after showering after a workout. If the injection pain is too much take cataflam 30 mins before injecting. Also when you inject in e.g the right glute be sure not to have any weight on your right foot. i.e Stand on your left foot with no weight on your right foot. Insert the needle slowly and inject slowly, making damn sure not to move the needle around. With sterilised hands, after the injection put a plaster on and massage the injection site as hard as you feel comfortable with for 5-15 mins. This disperses the oil. Be sure when re-using a site that there has been at least a week for the site to heal scar tissue after the previous injection. Mix the problem substance with some B12, which helps with injection pain and to disperse the oil. Some are not comfortable with mixing oil and water based substances, but I have done this my whole life with no problems and so has everyone I advise.

Thanks for input Pyro and Oupa.

@Oupa: Yeah transacts was my FIRST go-to actually.

@Pyro: Bro crystallization has nothing to do with the fact that this is my first cycle. It could've happened to anyone who received that batch. I've most of the advice you just posted from other forums and've been following it. I'll start going through it religiously. I don't think I massage it for long enough afterwords, I'll work on that though. Since I'm not pinning my own glutes (I only do my quads) I think some pinnings were done to close to each other. Just speculation - not being ungrateful for my "assistant".

It has to do with the fact that Prop and virgin muscle are a bad match. You are not the first individual to moan about post injection pain from prop into virgin muscle. PGW Test Prop is the only one where you have a good chance of pulling through, other ones (the lesser brands) in particular is known to mess up your shit proper even with experienced users. Don´t think crystalisation is a once off shit out of luck type of thing.

The pain most likely has nothing to do with crystallising, benzyl benzoate or benzyl alcohol. It's an anaphylactic reaction to propionic acid which the prop ester is hydrolised into. This acid is similar to formic acid which is found in bee venom. Your body get's used to it just like a bee farmer gets used to bee stings.

2 people can inject test prop from the same vial and the guy will be limping the next day and the other won't feel a thing. It doesn't haveto be virgin muscle either. Depends on your body's reaction.

If you were getting a reaction to BA or BB the you would get that same pain from all your steroid oils.

Drugs that contain carboxyllic acids like propionic acid are commonly discontinued from clinical trials due to bad reactions.

Of course of their is not enough BB in the oil then the steroid will fall out of solution and crystallise but if this is PGW then that won't be the case, and usually isn't the cause of prop PIP.

Hey MA, thanks for the insight.

First of I think anaphylaxis is used to freely and way to harsh a word, allergy/ reaction might be more appropriate (I have no other symptoms whatsoever) if this is the case. Do you think if I changed brand/ ester it might solve the problem? I tried taking 2 different types of anti-histamines and it doesn't make a difference.

Just to tie things up.

Total weight increase: +/- 10kg
Findings: PIP from PGW Prop was unbearable, loved the Anavar though, sex drive was pretty much defunct. The cycle did help me get back on track, when I started I was super skinny (seems to happen when I'm at work for 3 months lol). Mood was also pretty bad due to constant PIP and rigorous (anti-social) dieting.
Next cycle: Probably next year only. Really want to try out Cyp, thinking T-bol, Cyp and Var bridge.
Lessons learnt: You don't know until you take the plunge I know how I react to test now, what to look for in sides, know how to pin properly.
Credits: To everybody that helped and advised; cheers guys I appreciate it.

Hey Bud!
How are you managing post cycle?

Hey bro thanks for asking; but rough times. Had to leave the country to go to work, so I couldn't get bloods done when I should’ve a couple weeks after the cycle & PCT finished, but I’m pretty sure my endocrine system is screwed up – no sex drive, lack of energy ect. Also lost pretty much all I gained – dammit the advice about eating enough is no joke! I believe if I could’ve kept my old training regime and diet I would’ve coped better post cycle. But my downfall is that at work (out of the country) a chef makes my food, the gym sucks b**ls and I don’t have access to doctors. I am considering a cycle for next year when I’m in SA for the entire year so I can look after myself properly post cycle.

…but hey, on the bright side I can see my abs and serrates anterior again