Test Prop and Test-En 12 week cycle

Pyroclasm would it be wise to do. A cycle like this:
1-6 week test prop eod @100mg
1-6 week test cyp...or enanth @250mg
6-12 week test cyp...or enanth @500mg
just a wild idea I came up with...is it wrong maybe?

No issues with that cycle.

Senti wrote: Pyroclasm would it be wise to do. A cycle like this:
1-6 week test prop eod @100mg
1-6 week test cyp...or enanth @250mg
6-12 week test cyp...or enanth @500mg
just a wild idea I came up with...is it wrong maybe?

I don´t like that cycle and let me tell you why. When injecting a compound, it takes a while to see the full benefits because your blood plasma concentrations of that compound are not high enough. To pin half of the dosoage for the first six weeks is just going to retard the process even longer. Pin the Test-Cyp at 500mg for the first six weeks too, so that blood plasma levels can increase faster. Using Test Prop the way you do as a frontload is 100% right.

250mg cyp + 300mg prop is more than enough. Adding 250mg to 550 totals 800mg and that is not considering the 4 days a week with eod every 2nd week. That is 900mg test a week for a recreational user. Shoe !

Indeed, but it is not as linear as that Oupa, because of the effect the difference in ester lengths has on blood plasma concentrations. When you frontload an injectable for example you will do 2-2.5 times the normal amount (that´s 1200-1500mg of Test per week) in order for the concentrations to get up quickly, and you will experience none of the sides. In this case, yes he is using 800mg test per week, but his blood plasma levels will still be in what we consider an acceptable range.

Senti should open his own topic and give some stats before we slog it out

I understand your point, but will stick with my opinion.

Pyroclasm wrote: Indeed, but it is not as linear as that Oupa, because of the effect the difference in ester lengths has on blood plasma concentrations. When you frontload an injectable for example you will do 2-2.5 times the normal amount (that´s 1200-1500mg of Test per week) in order for the concentrations to get up quickly, and you will experience none of the sides. In this case, yes he is using 800mg test per week, but his blood plasma levels will still be in what we consider an acceptable range.

I agree with this - the only problem is that you will probably miss the Prop when you drop it after week 6.
Why not just wait it out? Or double the dose for the first 2 weeks.
I only start seeing results around week 7 anyway - frontload or not.

jackrabbit1 wrote: Why not just wait it out? Or double the dose for the first 2 weeks.

That i agree with

lol thanx guys and i didnt start my own topic bcoz...well....i dont knw how....and as for that cycle i havent done any yet am just trowin around ideas...see the problem is i dont like the thought of dianabol and my liver...so test prop seems like a good idea...i dont mind the injections and stuff(If u not ready to inject...u not ready for steroids)....i think i will do a cycle during winter season...for now am just goin natural though am quite small...weight 71 this morning...Height 5'9.....and i bench 40kg so u can imagine how small this guy is bt thanx for the input guys oh and by the way am 22...

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Indeed, but it is not as linear as that Oupa, because of the effect the difference in ester lengths has on blood plasma concentrations. When you frontload an injectable for example you will do 2-2.5 times the normal amount (that´s 1200-1500mg of Test per week) in order for the concentrations to get up quickly, and you will experience none of the sides. In this case, yes he is using 800mg test per week, but his blood plasma levels will still be in what we consider an acceptable range.

I agree with this - the only problem is that you will probably miss the Prop when you drop it after week 6.
Why not just wait it out? Or double the dose for the first 2 weeks.
I only start seeing results around week 7 anyway - frontload or not.

.....so i use 200mg EOD test prop and 500 test cyp...is that what u saying?....and my receptors are still dry so i think i'll quite gain alot on that much test....

200mg Prop EOD... + 500mg cyp :ohmy:

I recommend double dose cyp for the first 2 weeks @ 1000mg. And then cyp @ 500mg from week 3 onwards.

Split your pins 2ml mondays & 2ml thursdays ( 2 weeks ) and then 1ml mondays & 1ml thursdays from there onwards.

Ye I'd do what Oupa said at least that's only 2 pins a week and at your size and for a first cycle testcyp only is the way to go. I no you said you don't mind pinning but test prop for a first cycle, don't be fooled it will HURT...

im sorry to say... but this topic is getting outta hand. no offence to any of the guys

did anybody read this guys stats? and strength levels.....

he needs food, not 1000mg front loads.

don't get me wrong, I commend the strategy, but not for him.

if anything his frontload should be 500mg in comparison to his stats, and run 1ml there after.

Thank you PP +1 to you for spotting the post.

Apologies, i did not notice his post about his stats as i continued from post @ 06:27 this morning.

no stress big guy

Yip PP is on the money.

Senti wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Indeed, but it is not as linear as that Oupa, because of the effect the difference in ester lengths has on blood plasma concentrations. When you frontload an injectable for example you will do 2-2.5 times the normal amount (that´s 1200-1500mg of Test per week) in order for the concentrations to get up quickly, and you will experience none of the sides. In this case, yes he is using 800mg test per week, but his blood plasma levels will still be in what we consider an acceptable range.

I agree with this - the only problem is that you will probably miss the Prop when you drop it after week 6.
Why not just wait it out? Or double the dose for the first 2 weeks.
I only start seeing results around week 7 anyway - frontload or not.

.....so i use 200mg EOD test prop and 500 test cyp...is that what u saying?....and my receptors are still dry so i think i'll quite gain alot on that much test....

Aplogies for the confusion there, when I said double dosage for the first two to three weeks, I mean where you frontload with test cyp, and then you leave out the test prop. For a first cycle this is too fancy, and for a first cycle the goal should be 100% to assess how your body responds to testosterone.

@PP: We are only discussing a theoretical cycle here where the guy is throwing some ideas at us. Read his first post. I am also not condoning a cycle for his stats and experience level.