[Cycle + Diet + Training]

So guys its that time. FINALLY starting my proper cycle in February and I was wondering if you guys can help with advice on my cycle and diet.

I will be doing a supertest with dbols kickstart cycle. Ive got [2× Supertest PGW 10ml vials]. [2× Oraltec 10mg 50 caps Dianabols]. Then I have Nolva and Chlomid for PCT and I have Letrozole on hand for any gyno problems. I also have a Liver Support!

Cycle plan :

weeks 1-10 Supertest (2 injections a week)
weeks 1-4 (25 days) Dianabols 40mg per day.

Then 30 days after I will be using the chlomid for 5-10 days whichever is best.. then straight on to the Nolva at 20mg per day for 30 days.


Then diet:

Meal 1: 4 egg whites, 1.5 cups All bran flakes with milk.
Meal 2: 150g Chicken breasts, 1 cup brown rice, 0.5 cups of vegetables.
Meal 3: 1 cup plain yoghurt, 30g nuts, 1 fruit.
Meal 4: 150g tuna, 1 cup brown rice, 1 fruit.
Meal 5: 150g chicken breast, 0.5 cups brown rice, 0.5 cups vegetables.
Meal 6: Tablespoon peanutbutter before bed.

Will be drinking a post workout protein shake as well.


Training: Will be following Jim Stoppani's shortcut to size 12 week gym program.. will get a new one after the 12 weeks.

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/shortcut-to-size-training.html

Day 1: Chest, Triceps, Calves.
Day 2: Back, Biceps, Abs.
Day 3: Shoulders, Traps, Calves.
Day 4: Legs, Abs.
Day 5: Cardio, Abs.

Any advice will be great!

NB!! Stats:

174cm
74kg
9-11% bodyfat.

Guys any advice or changes I must consider? Help with diet maby?

Your going to need to add HCG to your PCT. How many cals are in your diet? Have you worked it out at a surplus?

Just looking at your weight and your body fat i can tell that you definitely not going to be getting sufficient protein. You might want to consider bumping it up a bit for decent gains. ie your chicken breast make 250g - 300g.
Calculate you calorie intake for the day. Rhino has a point, you need to know. then compare you intake to your calorie needs to maintain body weight and bump it up by 500 calories initially. If you find your growth is a bit slow you can bump your calories up a bit more.

I hope this helps.

You need about 230g of protien that's 1.5g per pound of lean body weight so just use Myfittnesspal and see what your diet has in it. I have 20 odd kg on you and I eat between 150g and 200g of meat in my meals so you might be ok, you don't want to over do the protien you'll just fart and meat is a really inaficiant way to supply energy so you might just have to adjust your carbs.

And you'll need to add cassien or whey to meal 6. Penutbutter on its own isn't really a meal.

Supertest for a first cycle is a bad idea dude stick to Test-En or Cyp. Also pin supertest at least three times a week, but I recommend EOD injections.

I need about 2840 calories a day as I calculated. 230-240g protein a day will be needed. So maby casein or some eggs at meal 6 might be great! And then also I will bump up some of the meals like the chicken breast to about 250g both meals.. will this be enough?

Also why is supertest a bad idea for a first? And if I do 3 injections a week will it be 0.6 0.7 and 0.6 ml injections throughout the week? Will this be better?

And why HCG? Ill get me some just wondering why it is also needed as I understand it is so that natural test production can recover and start again? This right?

HCG will help prevent the breakdown of muscle tissue, restore testes, make your pct smoother.

It acts as an LH in your body and basically prevents testicular degeneration

No HCG = post cycle crash

Okay thanx will get it!! Have enough time though at least!

jaksinsane wrote: Also why is supertest a bad idea for a first? And if I do 3 injections a week will it be 0.6 0.7 and 0.6 ml injections throughout the week? Will this be better?

1) Injecting Supertest into virgin muscle is kak sore.
2) Injecting 3 times a week instead of two means you need 3-4 injection sites instead of 2.
3) That means 3-4 sites ALL virgin sites.
4) If you are an experienced injecter you will have picked up some tips and tricks along the way to reduce injection pain (which you need for Supertest).
5) If you are clever, the aim of a first cycle should be to see how your body responds to test. Because of all the different ester lengths in the Supertest, you won´t know when the test is in full swing and how you respond.

HCG is really cheap and very effective. I would advise it for any PCT containing an injectable.

Thanx Pyroclasm. I will get HCG its not expensive at least. And unfortunately I already have my supertest.. What are the best injection sites you would suggest? Both glutes will be used haha and what about the shoulders?

I'm not sure but as far as ive heard some ice before the injection may help to numb it a bit and then also some voltaren or so afterwards rubbed in properly.. any tips would be great!

Your supertest will hold until your next cycle. Again, just because you have it doesn´t mean you have to use it. I think you are gonna use it anyway, so just use glutes. You can get 6 sites from your glutes which is enough.

There is no way i will pin only in by ass even though there is 6 sites.... Rotate Glutes, Delts or Quads.

Thanx Oupa i will try to use different sites then. And Pyroclasm.. ill try and organize test cyp rather from PGW and then i can keep supertest for later. Thank you guys for the great advice!

PGW is the best. Be sure to open a cycle log.

Will open a cycle log soon. Im already in week 2 of my cycle so far im happy but it is to short to say. Will tell everything in the cycle log.

Pyroclasm - so far I injected 2times a week (1ml twice a week) ..you said I must 3times a week? How come? as far as I understand it is to take advantage of the short esters but I am not sure? Any help? If it is better hat way ill start injecting 3 times next week. Maye a split of 0.6/0.7/0.7ml?

also.. what u guys think of a winstrol bridge? Is it worth it?

Did you go with Cyp or Supertest in the end? Either way 2 times a week will work just fine

Supertest. Rhino see I did supertest a year ago.. did not know about pct and so on.. only had one vial and I thought it would work wonders!I picked up a bit of muscle and lost it again quickly, I then decided to research properly and now I am here doing a great beginners cycle! Great diet and pct.. supertest was kak sore the first time.. now honestly I dont feel that much pain at all.

so you say that 2 times a week is fine?

Just another thing before i open my cycle log.. I've been taking the dbols everything in the morning. In the article about dianabols it says split throughout the day or in the morning? what do you guys prefer.

I've done 2 and 3 times a week in the past and to be honest there was very little difference.

Rhino wrote: I've done 2 and 3 times a week in the past and to be honest there was very little difference.

Thanx Rhino! will keep it at two.. then the last 5 weeks ill change to 3 just to experiment. What do you suggest with the dianabols when to take them? Also, i inject on Mondays and thursdays after i have showered.. is this ok?

jaksinsane wrote: Pyroclasm - so far I injected 2times a week (1ml twice a week) ..you said I must 3times a week? How come? as far as I understand it is to take advantage of the short esters but I am not sure? Any help? If it is better hat way ill start injecting 3 times next week. Maye a split of 0.6/0.7/0.7ml?

Three times a week is better. It´s about the Prop ester being so short. In strict terms of taking advantage the difference between 2 and 3 times a week isn´t big, but the side effects are quite different caused your flucuating testosterone levels. Especially skin and gyno. Indeed Rhino has used it twice a week with no probs, then comes the next guy and he suffers if he injects only twice a week. Some people with prop have found that injecting prop ED as opposed to EOD is superior for their sides. I personally think that you should inject prop at least 3 times a week, optimally EOD and if need be then ED.

Thank you Pyroclasm. From next week I will start injecting 3 times a week. Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays? Think it sounds good with the 0.6/0.7/0.7 split.

Just quick questions:

1- When is the best time to inject?
2- Dbols all in the morning or split throughout the day? (40mg)