First cycle - game plan

Duration: 10 weeks
AAS: Sust + Deca + hgh(Nordi)

Dosage:
- hgh (nordi) - 5clicks /.65 mg every 2nd day
- sust (PGW) - 2 amps per week
- deca (organon) - 1 ml per week

Stats:
Height:190m
Weight: 82kg
Age 30
Ecto + long stretched out muscles. long arms that look thin.
Goals:
+ safety / no sides
+ increase mass
+ INCREASE bodyfat / water. Too wiry and lean at the moment

Thoughts? I want to do it once off.

3 - 6 months HGH. Slap the cycle into the middle.
I assume its 2 amps Deca?
I'd stretch the cycle. You will only start seeing the benefits at around week 7-8.

Sustenon 250 - 500mg Test/Week
Deca PGW 350/Week.

From my experience, the Deca is too low. Since its your first cycle, keep it there. But, i would put money on those numbers doubling for max effect.

Make sure you have your diet checked out by that hairy squirrel!

Also worried about starting now. Booze + AAS a bad idea? It's party season. Might be better to start Feb?

superk79 wrote:

Also worried about starting now. Booze + AAS a bad idea? It's party season. Might be better to start Feb?

Good idea :cheerswine AAS and alcohol don't go well together :cheers Rather start end Jan.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

3 - 6 months HGH. Slap the cycle into the middle.
I assume its 2 amps Deca?
I'd stretch the cycle. You will only start seeing the benefits at around week 7-8.

Sustenon 250 - 500mg Test/Week
Deca PGW 350/Week.

From my experience, the Deca is too low. Since its your first cycle, keep it there. But, i would put money on those numbers doubling for max effect.

Make sure you have your diet checked out by that hairy squirrel!

Shot - will up the nordi to 6 month. Good idea.
Yah - 2 amps deca p/w

I hear you bout the dose and you prob right, but I'd rather play it safe and have a bit less gains. Safety is still primary goal.

I mean is this a safe cycle? Lot of newer gear on the market as well, but not going to be a lab rat thank you very much

What about anti-e or slin?

What brand is the Deca?

That cycle is safe, as long as your PCT is spot on. Deca is going to shut you down hard so HCG throughout the cycle etc. See Doctari's PCT in the PCT forum.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

What brand is the Deca?

PGW

That cycle is safe, as long as your PCT is spot on. Deca is going to shut you down hard so HCG throughout the cycle etc. See Doctari's PCT in the PCT forum.

Worried my cycle is quite long. PCT after 10 weeks is fine hey? I will check out the Doctor

Got Jan 11th pencilled in calender for start date. I'll keep doing the Nordi so long though.

You wont get much out of the HGH... Are you still running it for hair growth as your primary goal?

I would might push the cycle to 12 weeks, but ten is still fine.. Make sure your PCT is spot on...

i think your 1st cycle is overkill..The Deca and HGH is not necessary,your muscle receptors are still fresh.You could go with sust at 250mg x twice a week and still make damn good gains over 12 weeks.

tiny wrote:

i think your 1st cycle is overkill..The Deca and HGH is not necessary,your muscle receptors are still fresh.You could go with sust at 250mg x twice a week and still make damn good gains over 12 weeks.

I plan on doing just one cycle though, better make it count. I just want some nice perm gains and to tell my body "wake the fuck up, you not a scrawny bitch". Obviously combining with big diet and fuckload of protein. Also started doing a another shake before bed, making a big difference. Don't wake up hungry.

I'd rather go pharma on the deca but the cost is insane and my supplier seems legit and knows their stuff.

Thanks okes. Any other advice? I've given myself now 2 months to finish researching.

superk79 wrote:

tiny wrote:

i think your 1st cycle is overkill..The Deca and HGH is not necessary,your muscle receptors are still fresh.You could go with sust at 250mg x twice a week and still make damn good gains over 12 weeks.

I plan on doing just one cycle though, better make it count. I just want some nice perm gains and to tell my body "wake the fuck up, you not a scrawny bitch". Obviously combining with big diet and fuckload of protein. Also started doing a another shake before bed, making a big difference. Don't wake up hungry.

I'd rather go pharma on the deca but the cost is insane and my supplier seems legit and knows their stuff.

Thanks okes. Any other advice? I've given myself now 2 months to finish researching.

Only doing one cycle?? Famous last words....Do you know the word "addiction"? I only wanted to do 1 cycle.......and end January I will start cycle no. 4.
Good luck bro.

STEROIDS ARE ADDICTIVE :bounce

I remember the day when I said I was just going to do one cycle and finish :laugh:

Why do you want to do only one cycle?
You're test levels aren't going to get better as you get older.

Yohimbe wrote:

Why do you want to do only one cycle?
You're test levels aren't going to get better as you get older.

AAS goes against longevity goals. I don't want to look aged and worn out like arnie.

Also sides increase with longterm use do they not?

superk79 wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

Why do you want to do only one cycle?
You're test levels aren't going to get better as you get older.

AAS goes against longevity goals. I don't want to look aged and worn out like arnie.

Also sides increase with longterm use do they not?

Arnie looks worn out because he's clean and not training or dieting properly, he looks like the average 60 year old-have you seen Stallone? Looks pretty good for a 60 odd year old. It ain't good genetics.

Testosterone is the fountain of youth. Your test levels are going to decline as you get older. Once you get to 45 the average guys test levels are a fraction of what they were when he was 20. This is why older men have higher bodyfat, impotent or low libido, high estrogen levels. That's when it's time for trt, go on testosterone permanently.

Sides don't get worse from long term use, sides are from abuse or lack of proper use. When you don't do proper pct, you struggle to recover, if you overload the doses and don't take anti estrogen precautions.

Prostate hypertrophy is probably your biggest long term concern, but this can be controlled with finasteride on heavy test cycles to limit the DHT conversion, and not going overboard on the dht dervived compounds.

When the time comes I'm going on trt without question. Why live with the inevitable when there is such an easy solution?

I don't mean you should start going on back to back cycles, but if used properly and intelligently with correct ancilliaries and pct and time off between cycles, the side effects will be increased muscle mass and libido.

YOHIMBE - Very well explained and the path I will be following. Karma for that !

North_Boy1 wrote:

YOHIMBE - Very well explained and the path I will be following. Karma for that !

Thanks NB

Yohimbe wrote:

North_Boy1 wrote:

YOHIMBE - Very well explained and the path I will be following. Karma for that !

Thanks NB

Get a fucking room.

Ok I'm still sceptical I want studies and data. I will research more.

superk79 wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

North_Boy1 wrote:

YOHIMBE - Very well explained and the path I will be following. Karma for that !

Thanks NB

Get a fucking room.

Only if you join us

superk79 wrote:

Ok I'm still sceptical I want studies and data. I will research more.

To get you started

www.theinsider.com/news/1997894_Sylveste...ill_action_man_at_62

news.celebritywonder.com/2008/01/24/Sylv...es_Testosterone.html

www.diet-blog.com/archives/2005/10/02/fl...ld_inspirational.php

www.andropause.org.uk/Articles/Safety_notes.htm

aol.mediresource.com/channel_condition_i...ase_id=300&page_no=1

health.discovery.com/centers/mens/articles/andropause.html