1ST CYCLE- Review and advice :)

Hi there guys, I have been reading through this site and many others for quite some time. There are still a few thing’s I can’t seem to get a grip on but that’s why I am finally asking I guess. Please have a look at my proposed cycle and critique away, it is my first.

PCT is where my weakest point of understanding is, I‘m not too sure how to time it but I read PCT for testcyp should be started 14 days after last pin, any help there would be great, another thing I am not sure about is will the HCG be necessary for these dosages. I am also keeping the letro on hand, is there anything else that I should definitely be taking through out my cycle at these doses? ( a lot of questions now that I look at it )

Seen a lot of people get flamed on here haha, and I really am not looking for that I have IMO put quite a bit of time into research and am purely looking for your experience and advice. As a last note, this is an entry into AAS i want to see the capabilities before I move onto more complex cycles with higher doses, so please take the doses into account for that.

Regards.

STATS:

Height: 181cm
Weight: 83kg
BF%: 13.4 (measured accurately VA gym)
Age: 22
Training: 3 years consistently, and large amounts of sport



Week 1-4:

*Dianabol 30mg/day

*Milk Thistle throughout Dbol period.

Week 1-10:

Test cyp 250ml/week

Letro when needed in cycle.

Week 12-14:

Pregnyl 1500UI/week

Week 13-17:

Kessar 40mg/day for 6 days
Kessar 20mg/day for 18 days.

Test Cyp run it @ 500mg/week , 250mg on Monday and 250mg on Thursday
Some run HCG(Pregnyl) during and some run it post cycle, in your case I would run it week 5 -10 @ 1000iu/week

Std Kessar PCT would be 40mg/week for the first 2 weeks and 20mg/week for another 2 weeks

alright i'll adapt to that, thanks mate.

Well done on reading. I don't give out karma easily but you deserves 1! I'll also suggest cyp at 500mg a week, you might want to up the d-bol to 40mg.

I wouldn't bother with the HCG during cycle but will start it in the last week of cycle, my opinion.

Why thank you know too many people who have buggered this up, spoke to a guy on a d-bol and deca cycle last night and mentioned milk thistle he said "whats that", he also doesn't do PCT, quite frankly i dont want to be like that...

I'll up the cyp and read more on the d-bol doses, HCG well i'll reread that debate between doctari and conan i think it was? But thanks so much for the info so far!

You should take milk thistle for the entire cycle, not just when you frontload with the dbol.

When do you plan to do this cycle, because I see you are still only 22 and you can do a lot more without exogenous test?

Thought that would come up, at the moment it is a plan, i am very patient so i am not going to rush head first into it, i'll see the feed back i get from this, probably sit and think do more reading and get round to the actual cycle god know's when . But at the moment i am after a little more insight and info, no real fixed time of WHEN yet

Wow, the first newbie who has some patience...that is really great you will get the most out of it

Hey Chapel, here is a cycle i frequently reccomend to newbies, take a look at it aswel, yours is great just think this would be more effective:

-Letro or A-dex, 0.25-0.5mg respectively, ed or e2d (personal drugs).

-D-Bol, week 1-4, 40mg, ED.
-Test E, week 1-12, 250mg, 2x per week.
-Low dose of proviron or winny in the window before PCT (optional). EG: 25mg proviron, ed, weeks 13-14. Or 30mg Winny.

-HCG, week 10-14, 500iu, 2x per week.

-Kessar, week 15-18, 20mg, ED


Have some Karma aswel for your current knowledge and effort put in, wish all newbies had their heads as screwed on as you.

Peace.

just my 2cents, my first cycle was just test cyp at 250ml/per week for 8 weeks. Gained 12kgs. I would personally start of with a max of 30mg dbol per day first couple of weeks with the the test if this was my first cycle.

Mr Moose wrote:

Hey Chapel, here is a cycle i frequently reccomend to newbies, take a look at it aswel, yours is great just think this would be more effective:

-Letro or A-dex, 0.25-0.5mg respectively, ed or e2d (personal drugs).

-D-Bol, week 1-4, 40mg, ED.
-Test E, week 1-12, 250mg, 2x per week.
-Low dose of proviron or winny in the window before PCT (optional). EG: 25mg proviron, ed, weeks 13-14. Or 30mg Winny.

-HCG, week 10-14, 500iu, 2x per week.

-Kessar, week 15-18, 20mg, ED


Have some Karma aswel for your current knowledge and effort put in, wish all newbies had their heads as screwed on as you.

Peace.

Pretty much perfect. I'd personally drop the winnie but keep the proviron but otherwise spot on.

IMO here's you cycle Chapel!

I would only use Letro when estrogen sides present though.

Yea proviron or winnie> Personal choice basically same as>

Ha ha you and i always disagree on this one vega, but either of our protocol on the AI's will be fine. I prefer to prevent and not fix, Vega prefers to fix.

Peace

Looks great, I considered adding winnie at the end now i think i will with the test E and test C a recurring factor was that gains are easily lost even with correct PCT.

When comparing test C and E while taking that into mind which is more likely to produce better results, PCT dependent obviously? Or is it too user dependent to judge?

@Chapel - your whole idea around your cycle looks good and thumbs up on the research. I see you accurately measured BF at VA? :laugh: Not good as you cannot determine BF just on the bicep. My actual BF is sub 15% and the wonder machine at VA reckons it's 18.5%....
@Beesting - Not trying to teach newbies wrong, but I stopped taking Milk Thissle in my first week of my 15 week cycle after I read a post on this forum where more than one person stated that it can hamper your muscle gain.

North_Boy1 wrote:

@Chapel - your whole idea around your cycle looks good and thumbs up on the research. I see you accurately measured BF at VA? :laugh: Not good as you cannot determine BF just on the bicep. My actual BF is sub 15% and the wonder machine at VA reckons it's 18.5%....
@Beesting - Not trying to teach newbies wrong, but I stopped taking Milk Thissle in my first week of my 15 week cycle after I read a post on this forum where more than one person stated that it can hamper your muscle gain.

I read that aswell NB1 i am only gonna take my milk thistle while on dbol the rest of the time just my usual vitas and minerals. But mostly milk thistle while using the orals that what i usually do but that is just me

hmmm i'll go to a mate of mine who sells herbal life products he has something or other to measure BF accurately according to him. Also read that about the milk thistle hence deciding to take it only on the d-bol but I will get a few more opinions on it.

I might not always disagree with the Letro protocol but I'm a firm believer in taking milk thistle and Legalon while on cycle.

I know it down regulates androgen receptors but I'll rather risk a 1kg of gains for a healty liver.

My theory is just take more test then.

Mr Moose wrote:

Yea proviron or winnie> Personal choice basically same as>

Ha ha you and i always disagree on this one vega, but either of our protocol on the AI's will be fine. I prefer to prevent and not fix, Vega prefers to fix.

Peace

I also agree with prevention but damn that stuff makes me feel like absolute shit. I'm still toying with the idea of taking it during my next cycle as I'm taking 1g+ test.

I have one question though, is the sides the same at let's say .25mg than at 1mg?

@NB1
Each year when I have my birthday the VA machine give me 2% body fat as a present, soon I'll hit 25% bodyfat with my 4/6 pack showing :laugh:

I spoke to the staff, they confirmed this for me, I've gained muscle, have a lot more abs and definition showing than ever, but my bf% is 5% more than when I started 4 years ago.....

Lesson, stop having birthdays, you only get fatter!!! :laugh:

I prefer prevention to problem fixing,
Good luck with the cycle planning chapel.

Hi There

I finished my 1st cycle a couple of weeks ago and now in my 2nd week of PCT. My cycle was almost exactly like the 1 you originally planned except i did test en at 250mg/week. I did not plan on massive bulking but it worked well for me at that dosage. In my opinion starting with a low dosage will show you exactly how sensitive your body is to that substance. If you start at minimum dosage and get good gains you will know that you probably need less of that substance compared to other guys to get same gains. It however can backfire as well. Say ur body is not sensitive to it at all a minimum dosage would be a entire waste of cycle, time and money. Luckily it worked for me.
my 4c

@Vega, ya good point rather not risk the good old liver

@N3rd VA you gotta love them, i'll get my BF checked properly hopefully its lower than what VA tells me haha all i know is everytime i check it at VA it fluctuates up and down like crazy.

Hey ABC thanks for the comment, i'm not sure i want to risk that backfire its not exactly a small amount of money so i'll probably just up the test like everyone says i should, that way hopefully i'll get the best results to be able to judge off