Creating our own Pre- and Post-Workout

PRE workout drink.

3g CEE
4g DAA
3g L Taurine
1g L Canitine
5g BCAA
5g beta alinine
200mg caffiene
30g dextrose

POST workout shake

60g Dextrose
40g whey
5g Glutamine
5g bcaa
5g creatine mono


I love my pre-workout, works great and really cost effective.

Where do you guys get your L-Arginine from? Ondier dosent supply it.

Heretic47 wrote: pyro, what do you think about changing the arginine for citrulline malate? I've read a few articles claiming that citrulline is better in terms of NO production.

Just did some reading on citrulline malate, I am deffinetly going to be throwing that into the mix. Do you no where i can get it bud?

manery wrote:

Heretic47 wrote: pyro, what do you think about changing the arginine for citrulline malate? I've read a few articles claiming that citrulline is better in terms of NO production.

Just did some reading on citrulline malate, I am deffinetly going to be throwing that into the mix. Do you no where i can get it bud?

hey manery

I used to order from a place in America but ever since the new laws regarding supplements it's way too much effort. still looking for a local supplier but nothing concrete yet.

will post here again if I find one that's not too expensive.

Thanks man!

Soo has anyone discussed this with Ondier yet?

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manery wrote: PRE workout drink.

3g CEE (Any reason why you are taking CEE before and CMono afterwards?)
4g DAA (Take this in the morning so that it has time to get to work long before your workout)
3g L Taurine (Rather take 2g before and 1g afterwards)
1g L Canitine (Up this to 2g)
5g BCAA
5g beta alinine
200mg caffiene (Caffeine is BS and shouldn't be used)
30g dextrose
(Add Glutamine, AAKG or Citrline Malate here)

POST workout shake

60g Dextrose
40g whey (don't take whey and BCAA's. Rather do BCAA's post and then do you whey on the meal afterwards)
5g Glutamine (Up this to 7g)
5g bcaa
5g creatine mono


I love my pre-workout, works great and really cost effective.

Where do you guys get your L-Arginine from? Ondier dosent supply it. (From Dischem lol)

@Heretic: Yeah bro I have been on the same school of thought lately. MP Assault contains that and it was my favorite Pre-workout before I got educated so it's Definately worth a shot. But I have NO idea where to get it in SA?

@PyroClasm:
Do you premix a big tub of this or do you sit and redo your mix every day?
Why do you not do any Whey with your post workout?
What about DAA with the pre-workout?
Where do you get your L-Arginine?

Thanks

Mr_SA wrote: @PyroClasm:
Do you premix a big tub of this or do you sit and redo your mix every day?
Why do you not do any Whey with your post workout?
What about DAA with the pre-workout?
Where do you get your L-Arginine?

Thanks

Got some L-Arginine from my local pharmacy yesterday. Iam also curious as to why there is no whey in your post workout shake pyro?

Yeah bro I premix about a months supply in a tub. DAA should be taken in the mornings to have enough time to get its full effect. The way I see is it you are already drinking quite a number of compounds pre-workout which will put stress on the liver. Given a choice I would avoid any unnecessary compounds cause they will place unnecessary extra stress on the liver. On the whey vs BCAA thing' I will quote myself: "Thing is BCAA's are the basic building blocks of protein. You could take whey as well, but the BCAA's will be absorbed and distributed to the muscles a lot faster. Very important is that meal within an hour after your post-workout shake- that's where I would put the whey or another good source of protein." You can get the Arginine from Dischem. Their Pro-10 brand. It's labelled as AAKG.

Mr_SA wrote: @PyroClasm:
Do you premix a big tub of this or do you sit and redo your mix every day?
Why do you not do any Whey with your post workout?

Not taking whey post workout is nonsense. Yes, BCAA is absorbed faster but that is really taking 'getting your amino acids in fast' too far. You need more than 3 amino acids for protein synthesis and whey has them all. 5g of BCAA post work out can NOT replace 50g whey.

Do you seriously think all the nutrition experts and world champ bodybuilders out there just didn't have the coaching and sense to figure out that BCAA is better than whey protein post workout?? Too much bro-science.

Notice I have BCAA's and Glutamine which are quite close to the profile of protein. The BCAA vs Whey thing was suggested to me by DJ so "bro-science" is a strong word to use. I do not EVER use bro science and I don't appreciate being accused of it Muscleaddict. You think you know more than DJ?

lots of rage on here today... justsaying.

Pyroclasm wrote: I will quote myself: "Thing is BCAA's are the basic building blocks of protein. You could take whey as well, but the BCAA's will be absorbed and distributed to the muscles a lot faster.

Amino acid are the building blocks of protein. Whey contains all 20 and a good amount of the 9 essentials. BCAAs are the most important 3 aminos for building muscle followed by glutamine yes, but you can't replace 50g of whey with 5g of BCAA and your glutamine.

Whey contains around 30% BCAA which would be around 16g in a shake with 50g whey. Now you are saying take 5g BCAA instead of whey? No chance.

I didn't even mention DJ. Don't put words in my mouth bro. I take BCAA straight after my Whey post workout and no clinical study out there can show me that taking BCAA only would be better.

5g pre + 7g intra + 5g post workout could be made more effective by upping the doses. There are tons of studies on pubmed and medscape about this.

CHAPEL wrote: lots of rage on here today... justsaying.

No rage, just passion coming out a bit scew :silly:

5g's of BCAA + 50g whey, that solves everything.

Both approaches may work howeve I also lean toward MuscleAddicts approach, I have my BCAA's intraworkout and Whey Isolate Post workout. Both you guys seem quite clued up so no need to debate this you both have valid points whatever works for you stick to it.

Would SSN CytoGuard not have the same "ingredients"??
Its just missing Beta Alkaline

www.ssnonline.co.za/products/cytoguard/index.shtml