PGW test e/cy+ Prima+ Tbol 12 week cycle

Good day Gentlemen

I am looking to start my 4th cycle. I am 24 6,2ft and weighing 87kg, with about 9-10 bf.


Seeking some proper advice from experienced users.

PGW test e or cyp not too sure which one will work better for this cycle. Run it @ 2ml a week ( Pin monday and thursday)
Add PGW Primobolan Enanthate ( still deciding if its worth the money btw) or Eq, run it 2mls a week as well (pin in the same injection monday and thursday)
Frontload with tbol 50 tabs works out to 4 weeks.
Is it necessary to use hCG throughout your cycle and if so at what dosage and on which days do you use it?

I am planning on doing a 12 week cycle, my goals are to pick up 7-8 kgs of lean mass.


Thanks in advance guys!

Go for Test E & Primo with tbol if your looking for a nice lean gains.

You can start with the HCG 500iu a week after your orals of 4 weeks. Pin the same days as the steroids.

Bridge with anavar or winstrol before you start your pct

Ok thanks for the advice bud.

Just to clarify, 2mls of test e a week but how many mls of primo should i take?

I was told you need to take at least 600mg of primo a week for it to be effective?

PGW primo is 200mg per ml, so you would need 2ml. (400mg per week)

600mg Primo per week for 87kg is way to much.

Acey360 wrote: Frontload with tbol 50 tabs works out to 4 weeks.

50 x 10mg tabs wont be near enough for 4weeks look at 40mg minimum per day = 112tabs per 4weeks

Ok so please correct me if i am wrong.

week 1-12 2mls of test e
week 1-12 2mls of primo
week 1-4 tbol @ 30mg
week 5-12 hcg @ 500iu
week 8-12 anavar @ 40mg
week 1-12 proviron 20mg or 40mg?

Pct
week 13 @ 100mg clomid
week 14-16 hcg @ 500iu eod
week 14-18 nolvadex @ 20mg

Waiting period of test E is around 24-26 days not to sure how many is primo again.

Basically


week 1-12 2mls of test e
week 1-12 2mls of primo
week 1-4 tbol @ 40mg
week 5-12 hcg @ 500iu
week 10-16 anavar @ 40mg
week 1-16 proviron 40mg

Pct
follow pct 3 protocol

Lex just to confirm

Pct:

Week 17 clomid 100mg Ed
Week 17-19 hcg @ 500iu eod
Week 17-20 nolva @ 20mg ?


Furthermore I heard that pgw test e is quite painful, would primo pgw make matters worse if both compounds are taken in conjunction in the same injection?

Oupa do you agree with the the above cycle layout?

No

Read "PCT NO 3"

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

I have never used ovidrel before and not too sure if I can get hold of it..

Quite a complex pct.. Would hcg, clomid and nolva not do it justice?

Appreciate everyone's feedback

What do you suggest

Run PCT3 but replace Ovidrel with HCG use the HCG in the dosage in PCT 2...

Ok so i have taken abit of everyone's advice and complied a structured layout, please indicate if i have missed out anything.

week 1-12 600mg of test e
week 1-12 400mg of primo
week 1-4 40mg of tbol
week 5-12 500iu of hCG
week 10-16 40 mg of anavar
week 1-16 40mg of proviron

Pct

week 17 clomid @ 100mg ed
week 18-20 500iu of hCG eod
week 18-21 20mg of aromasin ed
week 18-21 20mg of nolva ed

One other question, is the anavar a must from week 10-16?

Shot!

Why do plan using proviron and not letrozole or armidex? Rooibul wat se jy?

It is not a must no. But we recommend it because you wil have a better transition from full on on cycle to PCT that bridging/waiting period can be tough if you simply stop injecting and carry on training and waiting for PCT as the anabolics in you're system are then constantly reduced until there is nothing so you are going to feel weaker and less motivated everyday/week. You're natural Testosterone is also almost not existing at that stage so you do not even have ta
That to rely on for strength or drive. For this reason most guys also find PCT a tough and emotional time until natural hormones are restored.I hope this explained the bridging period for you and why we suggest running a low dose decent oral during bridge. If you want to ask more feel free.

If the Anavar is too expensive Winstrol Oral is also a good option if you do not do Cross Fit or run or do impact or contact sports as Winny can be tough on joints I personally can not run more than 20mg a day then my joints get dry and painfull but this varies from person to person. Tbol can also be a decent Bridge.

@ Praetorian the Proviron is going to make all the other gear on his stack more effective due it decreasing SHBG and thus freeing more androgens up to bind to his Androgen receptors. As long as he has an AI on hand should any estrogen sides arise

I fully understand what you mean now. Thanks for the info bud.

But otherwise everything in the cycle looks good?

Starting first week in June, will send updates throughout!

Looks good. Do you have an AI on hand?

Nope i dont, you reckon its needed?

Rather have it Bud. Anytime there is test or any other aromatasing steroids involved there is a chance for sides. So buy an AI and keep it and some extra Nolvadex just for in case. Should you run in to issues at least you have it. But only start using it if you get side effects like puffy or sensitive nipples or so

Acey360 wrote: I fully understand what you mean now. Thanks for the info bud.

But otherwise everything in the cycle looks good?

Starting first week in June, will send updates throughout!

Howzit Acey.. I basically ran this exact cycle few months back. you can check out my cycle log.. may answer a lot of your questions. Primo is lank expensive and I ran it at much higher doses, cause that's what 'pump' recommended for me and it worked well at the higher dose to be honest. i'd run it again for sure.. my recovery was perfect. have a look at my log and ask any questions.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...tocyp-and-tbol-cycle

All the best bud.
R

Shot for the info Ron.

Yis I am experiencing second thoughts with this cycle now.

I am thinking about changing it to a tren ace cycle ( i have never done tren before btw ) I know its a very harsh steroid with regards to sides but you get great results.

I dont see the point in paying so much and only obtaining average results.

Please could you guys put my mind at ease regarding what would be the best option price wise and results wise.

Tren on your 2nd cycle is a no go. It gives you good results, but totally fucks with your mind if your inexperienced with steroids.

It will be my fourth cycle bud.

21 weeks altogether is also very long..

Really uncertain what I should do.

I don't want to waste so much cash and be disappointed in the end..

Please feel free to provide me with any other suggestions that have worked well for you guys in the past!!

have you used npp or deca before?

I have used deca, picked up quite abit.

I have never used npp though