Winter Bulk Quarantine

Hi Guys !

Hope you all doing well and keeping safe during these very unique times. I hope everyone has found an alternative to keep training while our favorite place in the world has been shut down

I know this is not an optimal time to be cycling, but I have a home gym with all the equipment I need to still train and I training at home gives me all the more time to push in extra hours and even squeeze in an extra session a day!

My Stats
Age : 27
Weight : +- 80kgs
Height : 1.77m
BF % - 9%
Deadlift : 200kgs
Squat : 160kgs
Bench : 130kgs

Previous Cycles : Dbols, Test ... Sust, Anadrol and Anavar at the end of my cycle , And tried Test, NPP, dbol.

Always Pct’d using Hcgs, Clomid and Nolva

This Winter I want to try a sample cycle posted on this platform, and it’s labeled Intermediate Bulking Cycle by none other than Oupa

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Considering I have an extremely fast metabolism and have never ever suffered from weight gain but rather weight loss when not training.

I really do take the advice given on this forum seriously and am truly grateful for this website!

Okay that been said, let me stop kissing ass and get to it

The cycle consists of PGW Deca 350 @ 1.5ml weekly
Testen 300 @ 2ml’s weekly
Dbol as a front loader and Winny to end it off
Of course I’ll be using Caber, Aromisan, Letro and Hcgs during cycle as needed

My question here : 1)3.5ml shots are moer sore so I intend to shoot 1ml once a week Deca initially and up it to 1.5mls during week 4 of my cycle, and 1ml Test twice a week, is it advisable to split my shots like this ? Eg. Monday Deca 1ml and Test 1ml and Thursday Test 1ml.

2) Can I or rather would anyone advice SuperTest320 over Testen and if not, or if so why?

3) I will be using liver assisting orals through the cycle , especially when using orals. Dbols at 50mg max in the beginning and Winny at 30mg’s at the end of the cycle. (Will never use both orals at the same time don’t worry lol) . Because it being Winter and I’m looking to put on as much mass as possible, would it be advisable to do the following - week 1 - 4 Dbol at 40mgs. Week 6-10 Superdrol at 20mgs? And leave out the Winstrol?

4) Lastly, I have seen a lot of guys enjoy EQ and mix it with a Deca cycle, would anyone recommend this ? Strength is not the goal here but more mass being the goal

I intend to shoot Deca for 10 weeks or maybe maximum 12 and Test for 14 weeks, then wait out the time and do PCT number 3, although Ovidrel is like horse teeth so sometimes due to the scarcity I use a 5000iu Hcg as well as clomid and nolva to Pct.

Looking forward to the response and am truly grateful for the Help!!

Thanks Guys!

Considering I have an extremely fast metabolism and have never ever suffered from weight gain but rather weight loss when not training.

I really do take the advice given on this forum seriously and am truly grateful for this website!

Okay that been said, let me stop kissing ass and get to it

The cycle consists of PGW Deca 350 @ 1.5ml weekly
Testen 300 @ 2ml’s weekly
Dbol as a front loader and Winny to end it off
Of course I’ll be using Caber, Aromisan, Letro and Hcgs during cycle as needed

i would honestly wait before using caber on a cycle only if you have issues with the deca would I use it. over the years i have moved away from deca cycles and suggest using NPP over deca. The reason being, if you have issues, it is quicker to find out, and easier to drop and get out the system over the deconate ester.

i would relook at your cycle to be honest and i am one of those people that believe less is more. Why not run 250mg Test, 200mg NPP, 200mg masteron total of 650mg a week, for 15 to 20 weeks. that takes care of our AI issue aswell.

My question here : 1)3.5ml shots are moer sore so I intend to shoot 1ml once a week Deca initially and up it to 1.5mls during week 4 of my cycle, and 1ml Test twice a week, is it advisable to split my shots like this ? Eg. Monday Deca 1ml and Test 1ml and Thursday Test 1ml.

split you injections 84 hours apart, Monday morning, Thursday night. and try and keep them as close to equal as possible.

2) Can I or rather would anyone advice SuperTest320 over Testen and if not, or if so why?

i honestly cant keep blood levels stable with using any multi ester product and there are a ton of guys that feel the same way world wide. so stick to using Test C or Test E in my opinion.

3) I will be using liver assisting orals through the cycle , especially when using orals. Dbols at 50mg max in the beginning and Winny at 30mg’s at the end of the cycle. (Will never use both orals at the same time don’t worry lol) . Because it being Winter and I’m looking to put on as much mass as possible, would it be advisable to do the following - week 1 - 4 Dbol at 40mgs. Week 6-10 Superdrol at 20mgs? And leave out the Winstrol?

i honestly think having liver support whilst on orals is quite stupid, rather take them before and after the orals in your cycle. its like crashing your car every day and taking it to the panel beater, rather instead of trying to fix it daily, rather wait till the end.

4) Lastly, I have seen a lot of guys enjoy EQ and mix it with a Deca cycle, would anyone recommend this ? Strength is not the goal here but more mass being the goal

show us your diet here bud, at 80kgs and have such a fast metabolic rate you should be looking in the lines of 3200 calories or more daily. If you cant grow on 250mg of test and 3200 to 3300 calories daily, you either arent training correctly, or you just need to start playing chess.

I intend to shoot Deca for 10 weeks or maybe maximum 12 and Test for 14 weeks, then wait out the time and do PCT number 3, although Ovidrel is like horse teeth so sometimes due to the scarcity I use a 5000iu Hcg as well as clomid and nolva to Pct.

00pump and i had a chat about hcg and ovitrelle the other day. He switched from the HCG to Ovitrelle the otherday and says you cannot compare. either get pharma HCG or Ovitrelle. thats it. dont mess with anything else. He had been using UG hcg and it was bunk.

Looking forward to the response and am truly grateful for the Help!!

Thanks Guys!

Deadlift : 200kgs
Squat : 160kgs
Bench : 130kgs

are these all 1RM?

3) I will be using liver assisting orals through the cycle , especially when using orals. Dbols at 50mg max in the beginning and Winny at 30mg’s at the end of the cycle. (Will never use both orals at the same time don’t worry lol) . Because it being Winter and I’m looking to put on as much mass as possible, would it be advisable to do the following - week 1 - 4 Dbol at 40mgs. Week 6-10 Superdrol at 20mgs? And leave out the Winstrol?

I second Empire's advice ^

Forget superdrol, it's great while you're on it but then you lose everrrrything afterwards and you can literally see when you stop taking it Winny/var are great, quality gainers to end with and/or start with on a bulk! Dbol doesn't agree with me but I used to look enhanced pretty quickly when I used it as a kicker, so could be fun.

Thanks Empire! Really appreciate the advice

I’ve decided to not go the Superdrol route and rather only use dbol from week 1-4 at 40mg daily. Will only use caber if I see any gyno but prefer to keep it on hand in case. Will use Aromisan as Pct and Ovitrelle, along Nolva and clomid of course .

Also going to start using liver support prior and after cycle

Will swap out the supertest for test Cyp as I prefer it over Test E

Diet consists of 5 meals a day, trying to get up to 8 and digesting easily more than 3000 calories daily. I definitely do grow naturally but it’s just easier with AAS and of course the vascularity And strength gains that come with it makes it all the more enjoyable.

The quantities I gave for Dead’s Bench and Squat are not 1RM but rather what I would max out on my last set at 4-6reps

Will split shots 48 hours apart too.

With all due respect I do intend to do Deca and Test at I think many would consider acceptable dosages

My intent is .. and please correct or advise me better if you like

Week 1 - 10 Deca at 375mg weekly

Week 1 - 14 Test Cyp at 750mg weekly

Week 1 - 4 Dbol at 40mg daily

Week 4-10 Caber at 0.5mg E5D (IF NEEDED! )

Week 1-14 Letro @ 2.5 mg EOD

My questions are ... Ovitrelle will be used for Pct. Do I still use Pregnyl Hcgs during cycle @ 250iu E4D from week 3-10?

And then I am stuck with the hardest decision as always and I would really appreciate any advice here. I am not discussing sources but rather labs

I have access to PGW, HD, Eu pharma, VMed Labs, Alpha Labs , Black series and Genetic Labs. PGW always being my favorite as I don’t experience much sides with it. But I have read a lot about EU , Black series, Alpha and VMed labs becoming very popular of recent.

Any favorite brands over PGW injectables and EU orals? Would make this decision a million times easier! Again Thanks a million!

bro don't use letro if you don't have to, only use an AI if needed, dont know why everyone is dead set on destroying estrogen, its needed, and with out it, you are gonna have a rough time with libido and joints. I would drop that test dosing down to 500mg i am 20kgs heavier than you and the last cycle i ran i used 550mg per week TOTAL compounds.

you shouldn't need the HCG on cycle if you are using ovitrelle for pct, HCG is a lot of the time faked.

Pgw is good, and Genitec orals.

Thank You bro!! Will drop my test dosage and keep the letro on hand if needed.

Really appreciate the help Empire!

Will keep updated on how the cycle goes and my gains .

Stay Safe! Stay Motivated and Stay Shredded !

being shredded is a thing of the past currently, sadly. haha. i will settle for just being active and thats that.

cool bud. also just looking at your cycle a little more, I would actually suggest you drop your test down to 250mg and your deca to 250mg too , and run the cycle length longer, the deca at 375mg for 10 weeks i would run that for 15 weeks rather at 250mg, that way you actually shouldn't battle to recover as much as you would from running higher doses.

remember these are long esters, they kick in at about 5 weeks, so you want to ride it out for 16 weeks if you ask me, that will be WAY better and easier to maintain.

trying to recover from 875mg is way harder than recovering from 500mg in my opinion.


the next cycle i am going to be doing just to let you know and i am about 100kgs currently is going to be 200mg of test, 300mg equi and 30mg tbol daily, total MG dosing 710mg.

these days an acceptable dosage is higher than what people need, so as i have said before, i have mingled with quite a lot of pros in the USA when i was there, and most of the guys are running 400mg test and 200-300mg deca, which they get from the TRT clinics, and these guys are busses. rumor has it, Phil Heath turned pro on 300mg deca and 500mg test, i think it was sust, and had NO AI or anything.

don't over complicate this, remember the faster you get stronger and bigger, the faster it disappears even with pct etc.

i promise you, rather spend the extra money on steak and food and you will get better results on less gear.

After that been said, I know it’s free advice but I’m one to listen lol.. Food is of course in my opinion way for important than supplements and my main focus is to increase my calorie intake.

Going to drop dosages and in stead pro long the cycle a little bit. I agree 750mgs test a week is crazy! So bumping that down as well as the Deca dosage. Will keep dbol at 40mg ED for week 1-4 tho.

Also will not abuse the Letro although I am very prone to estrogen sides.

I really appreciate the help Empire. And look forward to keeping this thread updated with results. Although for now I’m still concentrating on getting in more calories and as you say being active. Will probably only start my cycle in June.

Any other advice will be majorly appreciated. My intent is Bulk bulk bulk! Right now being lean is overrated, I’ll worry about that when summer approaches. Hence I decided to drop the Winny during bridging.

Just for Curiosity sake.. As anyone experimented with Ostarine or Rad 140 during cycle or Pct? Is it something worth trying with a Deca Test cycle? Or an absolute No ?!

Jason1603 wrote: Just for Curiosity sake.. As anyone experimented with Ostarine or Rad 140 during cycle or Pct? Is it something worth trying with a Deca Test cycle? Or an absolute No ?!

Had a few clients run Ostarine solo cycles. Recovery and muscle gain were decent.
Rad-140 was a bit suppressive for 2 clients. However strength gains were noticeable for them. I wouldn’t run rad-140 in a pct rather go for mk-677 through out your cycle & pct. my opinion

personally, i have run Mk677 a couple of times, my blood sugar is all over the place, I cant deal with the hunger and personally blow up 10kgs of water in days. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone actually.

Empire wrote: personally, i have run Mk677 a couple of times, my blood sugar is all over the place, I cant deal with the hunger and personally blow up 10kgs of water in days. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone actually.

if you not use it hunger is a problem, yes that's very common to pick up weight fast, i would normally start low and make one's way upto 20mg max nothing more.

when 1000mg of Glucophage can not control your blood sugar levels then you know your insulin sensitivity is going to be a MASSIVE ball of shit. As I said, I am not a fan of it, I used it a few times, but the edema and lethargy and hunger made me scrap it.

Empire wrote: when 1000mg of Glucophage can not control your blood sugar levels then you know your insulin sensitivity is going to be a MASSIVE ball of shit. As I said, I am not a fan of it, I used it a few times, but the edema and lethargy and hunger made me scrap it.

i guess its a personal preference if one chooses to use it or not

10kg’s !! Wow that’s an immense amount of weight! I’ve read up a lot about people using it during Pct, but if the sides are as you say I would rather keep my distance. Honestly I think the Deca and test is more than enough to put on some proper mass! As you say rather spend my cash on lean meat !

Yup, all in my ankles and hands as well as my neck, I was getting insane neck pain and my chiro had thought i slipped a disc, I came off the MK and boom, no more issues. the water retention in my neck was fucking with my nerves in my neck so I won't use it again.

Gentlemen

So I need help. As well as an update on my cycle I mentioned above.

I’m currently on week 6 of
Deca 350mg/wk
Test Cyp 500mg/wk


Used Dinabols @30mgs a week for 3 weeks.

Also Hcgs @100iu E4D

Using Letro and Caber at very low dosages

My weight has not gained significantly but I have dropped from 15%BF to 10% and still weighing in at lean 80-82kg’s.
Minimal water retention. Six pack, holding very little fat

My diet is currently around 2500-2700 calories a day. I’m trying my best to get that to 3200.

My dilema here is... I started Anavar @40mg’s a day for the past 5 days, and the results have been amazing. More vascularity, some lean gains.

I have Masteron. But it is a 1500mg PGW blend of Prop 100mg and E 50mg. How often should I pin this and what dosage is required per week with such a blend??
Results have been very good.

The cycle is all over the place. It's far from optimal to go on a typical bulking cycle, under eat and hope to gain much real muscle. Masteron is also a bit of a waste for a first time using it on steroids that hold a lot of water.

You'd see better results overall if you ate more for the next 4 weeks until you're done with the deca maintaining you current body fat but adding some mass. Then add in the masteron at 250mg/week and the anavar at 40mg for 6 weeks with calories around 400 below maintenance and you'll be shredded when you're done. I'd drop that test dose at week 12 to 250mg to drop more water rather than try and use the letro to fix that and feel like shit.

Thank You Muscle Addict. I will focus more on my calorie intake and follow the advice you’ve given me. I will post soon how my results are going. Much Much Thanks ????

My only reason for starting Anavar, is because I wanted an oral to boost muscle gain. I’ve been off orals for 3 weeks and prior to that I was on a reasonably low dose of Dbols. Any oral you would recommend to help along with increasing my calorie intake? I’ve seen good results before with Proviron @60mgs a day, but haven’t tried that this time around.

Jason1603 wrote: My only reason for starting Anavar, is because I wanted an oral to boost muscle gain. I’ve been off orals for 3 weeks and prior to that I was on a reasonably low dose of Dbols. Any oral you would recommend to help along with increasing my calorie intake? I’ve seen good results before with Proviron @60mgs a day, but haven’t tried that this time around.

You need more calories and enough protein to gain more muscle. Steroids can't do it without the food. It's like hiring 10 more labourers to build a house faster but you don't have enough bricks. You really don't need more orals. The Test+deca is enough. Proviron is not for building muscle, it is for hardening up and showing off the muscle you already have.

Muscleaddict wrote:

Jason1603 wrote: My only reason for starting Anavar, is because I wanted an oral to boost muscle gain. I’ve been off orals for 3 weeks and prior to that I was on a reasonably low dose of Dbols. Any oral you would recommend to help along with increasing my calorie intake? I’ve seen good results before with Proviron @60mgs a day, but haven’t tried that this time around.

You need more calories and enough protein to gain more muscle. Steroids can't do it without the food. It's like hiring 10 more labourers to build a house faster but you don't have enough bricks. You really don't need more orals. The Test+deca is enough. Proviron is not for building muscle, it is for hardening up and showing off the muscle you already have.

can't agree with this more.

the problem is going to be the orals are going to kill your appetite as they usually do.

you would also be best to spend the money on food to be completely honest.

protein intake of 2.5g per kg of LBM is where you need to be, even total body mass at 80kgs you need need to be at 200g of protein, and if you can't get that in, take up chess.

the balance of calories needs to come from carbs and fats. You will need to get in probably the better part of 3100 calories. so 800 calories from protein and probably 900kcal from fats the balance of carbs which is 325 odd. go for 40g pre, 40g Intra, and 45g post work out. and then the other 200g split up during the day.

One thing you need to learn here is this: if you want to grow, think like a newborn baby. EAT, SLEEP, TRAIN. repeat. then add the gear in. If you cant get in 3000 to 3100 calories daily and sleep 8 hours a day, possibly 10 where you can, then dont use gear, at all.