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02 May 2010 16:32 #43551 by Boarding
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Hi all. First Post.

How popular is DNP is SA?

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02 May 2010 16:37 #43552 by N3rd
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He's a quick learner ;)

I would also like to know the popularity of DNP,
Do the overseas pro's use it?

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02 May 2010 16:43 #43553 by Empire
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dude u cant ask for dnp... and its fucking dangerous stuff...

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02 May 2010 16:46 #43554 by Boarding
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I know the dangers of DNP and have changed my post accordingly. I have read the rules and see no problem with asking if this substance is popular is SA?

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02 May 2010 16:49 #43555 by Empire
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i still read it as asking to source it,before u edited it...its not very cos the dangerous out weight the benefits...

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02 May 2010 16:53 #43556 by Boarding
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DJ wrote:

i still read it as asking to source it,before u edited it...its not very cos the dangerous out weight the benefits...


I see, my bad.

How would it be less popular here than anywhere else?

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02 May 2010 16:59 #43557 by Empire
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well its not popular here cos people know the dangerous sides...also the bb community here isnt as big as overseas...

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02 May 2010 20:25 #43609 by Yohimbe
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Agree with DJ-you have to know what you're with DNP and its dangerous regardless. Careful playing with that

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02 May 2010 20:43 #43612 by Gearedup
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Yes it is used,both crystalline and powder.definatly and extreme drug to use.its just a horrid drug to use.for most its best you just book yourself off work for a few weeks.the lethargy and general kak feeling is a lot for most to handle.

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03 May 2010 09:25 #43628 by Barbell
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Heres a pretty good article about the stuff...

by Damian Bachs -- DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol), an industrial chemical with various applications, has gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool. Boasting an astounding 50% increase in metabolic rate, it is able to contribute to reported fat losses of 10-12 pounds in 8 days of use. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation" medically, it is quite dangerous as there is no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with its use.

Introduction/History

Competitive bodybuilders and many others are continually on a quest for leanness. Used by the hardcore since Dan Duchaine's reporting of it a couple years ago, DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol) has managed to steadily gain popularity as a powerful tool for weight loss. Interestingly, DNP was first used to ignite TNT in the early 1900’s. In 1931 a study released by Stanford University declared that DNP was able to cause amazing weight loss; subsequently it found its way into many diet potions and medications; regulation was much less strict during this time than the present, and many of these products were available over the counter. Two years later DNP was banned by the FDA as a dieting agent due to its inclusion in many OTC dietary supplements. The FDA was a new organization at this time and acted in a rather brazen manner, with the absence of any set procedures for taking substances off the market. Granted, there was only a 1% incidence of cataracts over a large population (around 100,000); nonetheless it happened (although interestingly, exclusively women). However, there are now ways to counter this which will be covered thoroughly.

The comparisons to the current drugs used for dieting are astounding, at least in terms of thermogenesis. While the ECA stack has been shown to provide approximately a 3% increase in metabolic rate, DNP can deliver a relatively controlled 50% elevation in resting metabolic rate. The thermogenic aspect of clenbuterol, while sometimes overestimated due to the high CNS stimulation that yields a "wired" feeling, can vary according to prior exposure to various amphetamine-like compounds and certainly is not much greater than that of ECA. DNP does not have the anorectic effects of ephedrine or other thermogenic agents; rather, it tends to increase hunger, particularly appetite for carbohydrates. This problem is easily solved with appetite suppressants, and one may even use ECA itself for this purpose while on DNP.

Molecular Basis for Efficacy

DNP accomplishes the astounding boost in metabolic rate via inhibition of the F0F1 ATP synthase molecule, located in the inner wall of each mitochondrion. While the electron transport chain still functions to pump hydrogen ions into the intermembrane space, the coupling of the proton gradient to ATP production is rendered impossible by DNP. As a result, ATP production is dramatically reduced, and the energy is instead thrown off as heat. This results in an astounding production of heat; when using dinitrophenol, the athlete will radiate so much heat that it is uncomfortable to be within any proximity of them. Luckily, this heat does not fully contribute to body temperature increases, and is instead thrown off from the entire body surface, particularly the head. As a result, adequate doses of DNP will usually only elevate body temperature by about 1-1.5ºC. This is a good thing for your central nervous system and other delicate tissues; if the heat produced by ATP contributed in a more direct matter to body temperature, effective doses for fat loss would cause supraphysiological body temperature increases on a level unwitnessed at this time. Nonetheless, overheating is a very real danger; this and other side effects shall now be addressed.

Risks/Side Effects

Hearing all of these wonderful things probably has you wondering what the side effects and risks are. They are quite formidable and contribute to making DNP one of the most intolerable (though effective) drugs used in bodybuilding. Starting with the most significant, and descending in importance, are the following risks and side effects of DNP use.

Risks:

Overheating - There is no upper limit to DNP's body temperature increase, meaning that one may literally "cook from the inside" if they take too much. Dosage considerations will be given later, but even an overdose of 4-6 times the recommended dosage may be lethal. Much smaller overdoses may result in damage to the brain and/or other body systems.

Carcinogenesis - Phenols in general are reputed to be carcinogenic. Although 2,4-dinitrophenol has never been implicated in a cancer diagnosis, some are nonetheless concerned, and understandably so. In addition to the inherent carcinogenic potential caused by its status as a phenol, production of free radicals and the release of various compounds stored in adipose tissue stores during DNP's rapid oxidation of fat may also potentially be harmful.

Death - This is self-explanatory and has occurred with several bodybuilders who chose to use this compound.

Side Effects:

Discomfort and sweating - This is the single most noticeable effect of DNP use, both by the user and those around him/her. Even in the winter, while indoors at ambient temperatures, one may expect his or her shirt to be completely soaked through with sweat. Those with jobs requiring formal or semi-formal apparel are advised to consider other means of fat loss (or a new job, if preferred). Other obvious considerations lie in the areas of social life, personal appearance, etc. and the user must prioritize.

Insomnia - Second in frequency of reports to sweating and discomfort is insomnia; this may be at least partially attributed to discomfort. Possible means of countering this include such supplements as Valerian root or melatonin. Alternatively, one may deal with this via prescription or OTC sleep medications or GHB-A precursors. However, these may be addictive if used on a regular basis and if their use may be avoided, by all means abstain from using them.

Yellow bodily fluids - Some don't notice this, but others find that all of their bodily fluids take on a yellowish appearance. Urine is a darker yellow, and even semen and vaginal secretions may be affected. According to current knowledge, this is not known to be harmful in and of itself.

Muscle Soreness - This is yet another thing that may be minimized via cerebral function. Dan Duchaine has recommended using a weight such as to allow no fewer than 15 reps per set of any weight training workout; judging from anecdotal reports and personal experience, this seems to be good advice. Low levels of ATP are a cause of muscle soreness in and of itself; the additional factor of encumbered recovery mechanisms make extreme soreness (and if not careful, catabolism) quite possible.

Allergic Reactions – These are highly individualized but may be summarily discussed. Various reactions are common with DNP use, and approximately 10% of users will be extremely allergic to it. Allergic reactions can include hives, blisters, and/or inexplicable rashes. If you suffer any of these side effects, and they are extremely bothersome, it is the recommendation of the author to cease usage immediately. If so desired, another trial may be made at a later date with a lower dosage, but do not attempt to continue the drug cycle at that point.

Carbohydrate Cravings - To counter this, some methods will be touched on later. As with most diets, willpower is sometimes the single most important factor.

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03 May 2010 09:36 #43629 by Sting
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You know what amazes me, who on earth came up with the idea about taking a compound used for making bombs and ingesting it in the first place

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03 May 2010 09:46 #43631 by Gearedup
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Probably the same person that thought oh this relaxes the uterus in cattle maybe injectable clen will burn bodyfat lol or the first person that looked at a snail and thought damn that will taste good with some garlic butter and brown bread hehehehe

Would I try dnp yip,would I spend a year researching yip,use low dose for longer instead of higher dose for shorter yip

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03 May 2010 11:01 #43650 by Barbell
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fair enough... :laugh:

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03 May 2010 11:07 #43658 by krielos
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Have experimented with DNP. Low dose for longer period and also upped the dose for a few days just to see. Not fun sweating and burning up all the time and also experienced continuous congestion in sinuses. Think my body considered the high temp a fever or some such. In my opinion T3 is much better for fat loss. My t3 cycles was much more effective and not in the least uncomfortable(Diet was in check with DNP also). I think DNP is kak and not nearly as effective as its made out to be.

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03 May 2010 11:11 #43659 by Gearedup
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Interest sake what was your low dosage? 200 a day ?from what I have read at 200 you are correct its probably as effective as a good t3 cycle,400 seems to be the medium dose and 600 for those that really are experienced with it .but there in I suppose lies the danger 600 is enough to seriously fuck up someone

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03 May 2010 11:14 #43661 by 00pump
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the horror stories I have heard on that stuff.. bottom line is it's a lazy mans drug...

you do not need DNP to achieve the results you believe you want.

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03 May 2010 11:19 #43662 by Gearedup
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To true,been more than happy with a good diet and cardio

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03 May 2010 11:20 #43663 by krielos
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Gearedup wrote:

Interest sake what was your low dosage? 200 a day ?from what I have read at 200 you are correct its probably as effective as a good t3 cycle,400 seems to be the medium dose and 600 for those that really are experienced with it .but there in I suppose lies the danger 600 is enough to seriously fuck up someone


The dose was 200 and I upped it to 400 for just a few days. Couldnt handle the 400 and had to go down again to 200. Waking up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat. Going hypo if your carb intake is to low and burning higher temp when you consume more carbs, a bit of a catch 22 situation. I wouldnt dream of taking 600. I used the crystal and not the powder.

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03 May 2010 11:29 #43664 by Barbell
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krielos wrote:

Gearedup wrote:

Interest sake what was your low dosage? 200 a day ?from what I have read at 200 you are correct its probably as effective as a good t3 cycle,400 seems to be the medium dose and 600 for those that really are experienced with it .but there in I suppose lies the danger 600 is enough to seriously fuck up someone


The dose was 200 and I upped it to 400 for just a few days. Couldnt handle the 400 and had to go down again to 200. Waking up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat. Going hypo if your carb intake is to low and burning higher temp when you consume more carbs, a bit of a catch 22 situation. I wouldnt dream of taking 600. I used the crystal and not the powder.

what results did you get? Body fat wise...

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03 May 2010 11:32 #43665 by Gearedup
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Shew and the crystal is weaker than the powder if I am not mistaken 165g dnp per 200mg pill ?? Or close.

Thanks for the input.I have heard of some big guys going even higher but ja I can't imagine the discomfort they must be putting themselves through.

See another bodybuilder (regular joe not pro) dropped and died from slin outside his gym in the parking lot not to long ago.took pre and post workout and misjudged carbs.very sad.but that's the dangers of the extreme drugs same with dnp,up dose to 400 or dabble with 600,something like carbs etc changes things and on that day its too much for your body to handle.

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03 May 2010 11:37 #43668 by krielos
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Barbell wrote:

krielos wrote:

Gearedup wrote:

Interest sake what was your low dosage? 200 a day ?from what I have read at 200 you are correct its probably as effective as a good t3 cycle,400 seems to be the medium dose and 600 for those that really are experienced with it .but there in I suppose lies the danger 600 is enough to seriously fuck up someone


The dose was 200 and I upped it to 400 for just a few days. Couldnt handle the 400 and had to go down again to 200. Waking up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat. Going hypo if your carb intake is to low and burning higher temp when you consume more carbs, a bit of a catch 22 situation. I wouldnt dream of taking 600. I used the crystal and not the powder.

what results did you get? Body fat wise...


If I remember correctly I went from 12% to 9% in ten days(Was my dnp cycle length)
But weight dropped from 99kg to 92kg in those ten days. I obviously lost about 4kg of muscle also. Was not worth it and won't do it again.

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03 May 2010 11:39 #43670 by Empire
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well then your diet wasnt on par,dnp is incredibly muscle sparing dude... u would've done something very wrong to loose muscle, and also u would've dropped more water off u after another 10days post that....

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03 May 2010 11:48 #43679 by milktuds
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Would you try DNP DJ?

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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03 May 2010 11:50 #43680 by Empire
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i have used it,got violently ill on day 7. i am in 2 minds about using it again but low dose of course.

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03 May 2010 11:50 #43681 by Gearedup
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3 percent bf in 10 days?I doubt t3 would do that hey

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