Help for the new guy

Hi

I am 28years old and have been working out at the gym for the last year. i was 114kg of fat whet i started and i am currently 89kg and allot leaner than i was. my body fat is down to 16% and i am struggling to build muscle. what could you recommend for someone new to the roid game. i was thinking of using oral stuff, no needles yet. i was told a combonation of dianabol and something to block estrogen. Could anyone recommend something inexpensive to start with?

Hey bud, check it out. This site offers advise only so why dont you go and do your own research and come back with questions you need ADVISE on. What if someone here advises you to take a whole bunch of shit that you know nothing about, would you just go do it???
Anywayz sounds like you need a proper diet before even thinking about aas...

HEy bud.

Post ur current diet. A few ppl can help out in that department. As for aas, u'll have to man up and pin, oral only cycle's wont get u the results u want.

My current diet is as follow:

300g broccolli and 3 carrots that I blend and drink with the 3 afternoon meals.

5:30am 100g Oats and i mix 25g whey with it. 10g creatine

Gym At 7-8:30am (50g whey afterwards with 15g glutamine and 10g creatine)

9-9:30am 1/4 cup basmaty, 120g Sweet patatoe, 1 medium patatoe 2 egg whites and 1 normal eg, 1 chichen breast.

12:30pm 1/4 cup basmaty, 120g Sweet patatoe, 2 egg whites and 1 normal eg, tin of tuna and 15g glutamine.

3:30pm 1/4 cup basmaty, 120g Sweet patatoe, 2 egg whites and 1 normal eg, 1 chichen breast and 25g whey.

6:30pm (supper)1/4 cup basmaty, , 2 egg whites and 1 normal eg, 1 chichen breast and 10g glutamine. (have some bake beans with it every now and then)

I go to bed between 8:30 and 9:30pm during the week.

I have been googling about aas as you call it and i have found something i seem comfortable starting with, i just dont know what anti estrogen i should use. i was thinking of combining dianabol and Proviron, but it seems proviron on it own does not work. most sites say i must use proviron with test.

Any help?

here is help: use superbol if you are new to the game.

then eat more meat loads of it, soveel dat jy gatvol raak vir die spur.

use some nolva or kessar for your pct if you can find HOT use that its even better but more expensive.

superbeast2 wrote: here is help: use superbol if you are new to the game.

then eat more meat loads of it, soveel dat jy gatvol raak vir die spur.

use some nolva or kessar for your pct if you can find HOT use that its even better but more expensive.

LMAO!

superbeast2 wrote: here is help: use superbol if you are new to the game.

then eat more meat loads of it, soveel dat jy gatvol raak vir die spur.

use some nolva or kessar for your pct if you can find HOT use that its even better but more expensive.

It seems superbol is heavy on the liver. i can only find bad reveiws on it. i have desided to try dbol for my very first cycle. i just wanted to know if i need to take a anti etrogen with it, and if so what is a good and well priced one. would i also need to use a product like hot for my pct. i am 89kg now and thought i should only gain about 5-8kg.(a couple of cycles later) i would then cut and use anavar. just in time for summer. would this be o.k for a beginner. i know combining test with my dbol cycle will give me faster and harder gains, but i dont think i am ready for the needle yet. i know needles are the saver rout to take, but i will start with that next year.

cman , IMHO if you really want to use orals only, try Anavar rather, more expensive yes, but considering you would need to buy some sort of anti-E if you use Dbol(dbol aromatises[forms estrogen] ALOT), then price wise it should work out similar... much less harsh on your system than Dbol, and little to no loss of gains post cycle

Dbol gains are not very well retained... thats one of the many reasons we only use it to frontload a cycle. A lot of the gain tends to be water and you will likely lose majority of what you've gained shortly afterwards. The needle is not only safer, but are more effective. I continuously find myself dealing with people who think that if they're not using injectables they're not really using steroids... Well guess what, you are still definately using, just not intelligently. Oral only cycles seem to be the first choice for youngsters who have no clue, and i cant count the number of times i've come across guys shovelling this stuff into their bodies only to watch their weight yoyo up and down. They bloat up, then 2 weeks later they deflate... Whats the point? If you are going to do something do it properly. Rather just wait until you are ready to run a solid cycle than waste your time, money and liver on orals only.

Thank for the help. maybe i will save and start with a couple of proper cycles like it should be done. What is the best to use for your first time though. there are so many different things to use, but it seems all agree test must be part of a cycle. do you agree?

Test and test alone should be the basis of your first cycle. Can use dbol to frontload if necessary. You just need to decide between a combo like sustanon or supertest, and a single ester like propionate, enanthate or cypionate. In my opinion either enanthate or cypionate are good for beginners, or sustanon is very popular

i was just about to ask the same question. i can get sustaplex 325 for R*00 (10ml). can i use this and this only. for how long and at what dosage per week. what should i use after the cycle to get my natural test levels up again.

can or should i use b12 as well. i am unable to find b12 in injectable form though.

The sustaplex is fine, i'd say go for around 500mg per week (so thats 1.5ml a week, or even 2ml if you want) Use it for 10-12 weeks and follow thru with the Doctari PCT (look it up on the site).
B12 should be easy to find at any chemist, just ask...

cman wrote: i was just about to ask the same question. i can get sustaplex 325 for R*00 (10ml). can i use this and this only. for how long and at what dosage per week. what should i use after the cycle to get my natural test levels up again.

can or should i use b12 as well. i am unable to find b12 in injectable form though.

Am i the only 1 who saw this?

No mentioning prices bud, edit post

Shit, so sorry. Noted. Wont happen again.

Thanks for the help, but is their any other product you can recommend other than Doctari. My supplier at the gym does not know of this. i was however told the following 2 things. 1) I should use Dianabol with the testostirone as it will help with sending oxigen to the muscle. 2) I can use H.O.T for my pct as i will be using low dosis for my first cycle. the hot will aparently help keep the estrogen levels down and boost my natural testosterone.

do you think this is correct or should i stick to the Doctari on my pct. please just give me the proper name for it, or recommend something similar so that i can try and get it.

A doctor that goes by the username "Doctari" was a former member of this forum...

Check out "Doctaris pct" -
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...octaris-pct-protocol

thanks, but must i really use all that if i am only going to use 2ml sustaplex a week?

Thats totally up to you mate
If in future you include 19 nors and long cycles of 12+ weeks, Docs PCT seems like an excellent way to go
Ive run Test only cycles and only used Nolvadex as a PCT many times , and recovered fine, but you might not...
IMO if you keep your cycle short, 8-10 weeks and exclude Deca and Tren, you more than likely will be fine with just a Nolvadex PCT

just wanted to know how i should use the 2ml sustaplex a week. should it be used all at once, or should i use 1ml twice a week. i go to gym 6 days a week. mon - sat. I will also be loading with low dose of dianabol a week before i start with the juice. the dianabol will be used with the juice for 2 weeks as well. i am doing a 10 week cycle for my first try.

how long was your pct when you did test only cycles.

preferably split the sust into 2 injections per week... mon and thurs

Week 1-10 : Sustaplex, 1ml monday morning, 1ml thursday evening
Week 1-3 : Dianabol 30mg a day. taken in even dosages spread throughout the day
10 to 14 days after your last injection start your pct.

Splitting the Sust dose into 2 injections is fine

Mostly 4 weeks but extend to 6 weeks once because I still had high Estro sides...
4 weeks of Nolva is the norm
40mg ED for the first week and 20mg ED for the remaining 3 weeks