Bulk and cut in same cycle

Hey guys

I got advised to do 500mg test E with 300mg deca since its my first time with deca

I was wondering if I could do a dbol/deca/test bulk and then cut with either tren A/winny or mast P/winny in the same cycle?...have used tren A 75mg EOD but only for 20 days

Thanks

12-16weeks
dbol is fine to use.water retention will be highish on this cycle though.

Up the deca to 450mg or 600mg.
Cant really cut and bulk properly in 1 cycle.
and 2nd to cut is more diet related than anything else.

Incorporate some winny and clen and yohimbine in your bridge with some cardio.
have cabaser on hand for prolactin sides if they occur.

Thanks VonD

I was really hoping to bulk up the first 12 -14 weeks than for 6 weeks try to get hard and vascular as much as possible...is there another way I can achieve this or should I just save the cut for next time?

why not just do a short ester cycle and focus on lean gains rather than mass and water?

I'm 185cm at only 90kgs bro for my weight at that height I look small compared to guy that's the same weight but shorter...I sometimes get laughed at by the guys at gym when they ask me what's my weight cos "apparently" I'm supposed to be big at that weight lol

do that cycle then go all out bulk and after it you can cut down.

christo11 wrote: I'm 185cm at only 90kgs bro for my weight at that height I look small compared to guy that's the same weight but shorter...I sometimes get laughed at by the guys at gym when they ask me what's my weight cos "apparently" I'm supposed to be big at that weight lol

Hey bud I just want to throw an idea your way- you are using Deca and Tren, both highly suppressive 19-nor compounds, which means that you (should) have quite a couple of cycles under your belt. You are 1.85m at 90kg and people laugh at you cause you are small.

I am 1.86m. Started training with weights in March this year 2012 at 83kg and very small. I decided to do lots of research first and now that I am ready I am on my FIRST cycle. I clocked in this morning at 92kg and I still have 8 weeks left on cycle. None of these kgs are from an oral so i expect to keep almost all of them. Again you are the same height as me and you weigh less than me. Don't you think that maybe you are doing something wrong? This is not a stab at you this is meaant to help you.

No offense taking Pyroclasm...when I started training last year june I weighed 68kgs after 2 cycles of test and dbol I ended up at this weight now...I agree I might be doing a few things wrong but I might be doing a few things right...I just think for my frame and height that 90kgs really mean nothing maybe at 110 - 120kgs I could look pretty decent size

Von D

If I use the winny clen and yohimbine as a bridge will I be able to keep most of whatever size I have while losing water and fat if diet is correct?

VonD wrote: 12-16weeks
dbol is fine to use.water retention will be highish on this cycle though.

Up the deca to 450mg or 600mg.
Cant really cut and bulk properly in 1 cycle.
and 2nd to cut is more diet related than anything else.

Incorporate some winny and clen and yohimbine in your bridge with some cardio.
have cabaser on hand for prolactin sides if they occur.

Disagree with running the deca at such high doses. Leave the deca at 300mg in coorespondence with the test dosage. Any tapering up with deca will require you to up the test dosage as well. 300mg of deca will be enough for your first encounter with the compound. Also, ill recommend running HCG for teh duration of this cycle at 250IUx3 per week starting from week one right up until week before you start pct. Use both an ai and cabaser on this cycle and dont just keep them on hand as you will stetting u up for sides. Adex at 0.25mg eod and 0.5mg cabaser every five days. I cant stress enough that you need to run an anti-progesterone on this cycle to ensure that you pct is going to be that much smoother and so that you can keep gains. As pyro says, drop the tren. Its highly suprressive as well and 20 day supply is not going to do much other than probably give u restless nights and some anxiety.

Wow dude 68kgs en 1.85m dit is blerrie maergat! Didn't you say that you used Tren in the past? Is this your first time using Deca?

Lol @ Pyroclasm

Sorry I forgot about the tren...I used it in between my last cycle I think it was between week 9 - 11 I got it for free so I thought I would just throw it in stupid of me...and yip first time with deca

And guys I didn't mean to run deca and tren together more like deca week 1 - 12 and tren week 13 - 17 somethng like that

christo11 wrote: Lol @ Pyroclasm

Sorry I forgot about the tren...I used it in between my last cycle I think it was between week 9 - 11 I got it for free so I thought I would just throw it in stupid of me...and yip first time with deca

And guys I didn't mean to run deca and tren together more like deca week 1 - 12 and tren week 13 - 17 somethng like that

ok.. but id still not run tren so close to the start of pct as it make your recovery all that much harder due to the suprresive nature of tren. I still believe that you should use it on another cycle, possibly with a test and another non-nor compound as a kickstart or something. Would not use it in this cycle. Do you have an ai and cabaser on hand for this cycle and, as i said, hcg is very wothwhile on this cycle.

GSP 250ius hcg x2 a week and bromo on hand no ai thou

Is there other compounds that I could use to harden me up at the end? Like VonD suggested

christo11 wrote: GSP 250ius hcg x2 a week and bromo on hand no ai thou

Is there other compounds that I could use to harden me up at the end? Like VonD suggested

ok, id get some adex at hand as well mate. id run either winstrol or proviron as a bridge if you keen on hardning yourself up. i love using winnie in combination with nor compounds as i feel that there is great synergy between the two.

GSP would clen be a good addition to the winny?

And the winny dose would be 50mg a day?

christo11 wrote: GSP would clen be a good addition to the winny?

And the winny dose would be 50mg a day?

ive run winstrol/clen bridge before with no problems. 50/day is a good dosage imo

How did you run the clen GSP? 2 weeks on 2 weeks off?

christo11 wrote: Lol @ Pyroclasm

Sorry I forgot about the tren...I used it in between my last cycle I think it was between week 9 - 11 I got it for free so I thought I would just throw it in stupid of me...and yip first time with deca

And guys I didn't mean to run deca and tren together more like deca week 1 - 12 and tren week 13 - 17 somethng like that

Leave the Tren for much later. Deca or NPP will do you good! To harden you up I would do Winstrol @50mg, Proviron @60mg and Clen. To use Clen start at 40mcg and increase dosage by 20mcg E4D, until you hit 120mcg which is the max safe dosage. No need to run two weeks on two weeks off like in the past you can just run it straight through. You will need Ketotifen @3ml at nights or Betasleep.

What is the Ketotifen used for?...sorry all the questions but I don't know how to use clen properly I think I need to do some research before I get started haha

upregulate receptors. i dont know if this has been mentioned, but while on the clen stay away from coffee or pre workouts containing caffeine. this will cause the receptors to downgrade a lot quicker making the clen less effective.

no worries bud, ask and ye shall receive

Have a read here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/9-suppl...help?start=25#118969

Okay guys I have a problem my source can't get Ketotifen

Get bettasleep from your pharmacy

Wat dose for the bettasleep guys?