Possible cycle options

cycle 1

10weeks
prop 600mg a week
tren ace 600mg a week
test e 500mg per week


cycle 2

14-16weeks
Sustanon 1400mg
deca 600-750mg
anaps 50-100mg(25-30 days)

goal is muscle as much as possible.

some opinions would be appreciated or other ideas.

VonD, what are your stats if I may ask...

106kg
Bf 12-13%
Cycle 3

VonD wrote: 106kg
Bf 12-13%
Cycle 3

Those are decent stats.
I really like option one.

Option 1.

2

@chapel any reason for choosing 2?

VonD wrote: cycle 1

10weeks
prop 600mg a week
tren ace 600mg a week
test e 500mg per week


cycle 2

14-16weeks
Sustanon 1400mg
deca 600-750mg
anaps 50-100mg(25-30 days)

goal is muscle as much as possible.

some opinions would be appreciated or other ideas.

Christ thats a lot of juice, especially for a third cycle.

Dude, not to be critical, but unless u are ifbb pro, there is no concievable way that u should be running so much gear and putting your body through so much strain.

What ancillaries are u planning to use on cycle for interest sake?

Did 1.2g test before and 540.g tren with no sides so not really planning on running anything.but I have adex/letro/cabaser laying around in case.

VonD wrote: Did 1.2g test before and 540.g tren with no sides so not really planning on running anything.but I have adex/letro/cabaser laying around in case.

Fair enough, your stats indicate u are a big boy mate. But i still think ull pack on more size with less juice and some more calories.

How much did u gain last time around?

I would say 6-7kg lean.

VonD wrote: I would say 6-7kg lean.

That is impressive. Calore intake per day? Also, did u run caber and adex during the cycle? How did u use hcg?

Cals were 4500-5000 depending on what I was training on the day.never used letro/adex or cabaser.used hcg 750iu a week eod.

add cabaser to your next tren/deca cycle and use HCG from week 1 and I promise you will keep more gains after pct

VonD, with all the love in my heart.... That is really too much gear for a 20 year old.
What are you going to do by the time you are 25? Just take 5 times that amount?

You really need to be smart about this... More is almost never beter.
Not all the money in the world can buy you new kidneys if there is not a willing matching donor...

Im pretty sure 00pump will also frown upon this... Im pretty sure even oom jack would think it to be excessive...
You probably just need to train harder and sleep more...

Stay safe... This game is not a sprint...

its only 1.7g in total.
i have not had any sides just some aggression and a pimple or 2.
i get bloods done and everything is fine.

the training/sleeping/diet part is good.
Dosages are not that outrageous.

Why not just run shorter cycles now dude. Prop and npp? For like 8 weeks then you could squeeze in more cycles a year. I know your trying to get to a level where you could effectively compete one day but your only 20 and have ran 2 cycles already dude and your already wanting to do almost 2 grams of gear. I'm still only about to begin my second and I'm 22 it has been almost a year since my last, not saying you have to wait so long but yea. No offence dude but I think you are moving to quickly. On another note congrats on breaking the 100kg mark brother.

Edit: rephrase

how tall are you vond?

1.78-1.8m not 2 sure

Hey Bud, at the end of the day its up to you what dosage you gonna run.

I dont know how old you are but we are a similar age (im 23).

Iv also ran 2 cycles and started my 3rd this week.

I went through stages of planning monster cycles of 2g+ a week but you gotta look long term and at the bigger picture. We do this (training) to stay healthy so why reverse our health for all the work we put in?

You say you didnt have side effects on your last course, did you go for bloods yet to make sure you fully recovered?

I was initially planning 1g test a week, 600mg npp a week and 600mg masteron a week etc etc etc.

My actual cycle is :

week 1-10 500mg test
week 11-20 500mg test + 300mg npp
Also using gh and will use docs pct.
Have letro,adex and cabaser.

Im not criticizing you at all.
I know you know what you are doing.
Just my personle opinion.

Best of luck with whatever your cycle ends up to be

i am 20

yes did a full blood panel actually 2 for this year.everything is 100%

guys that are 115kgs stage weight don't even need that much tren. I would go 1ml test prop 1 ml super test 1ml npp and 0.5ml equi eod or 3x a week. that with an oral like oral t u will grow. your bloods might be fine now but u are putting long term strain on your body that u will only feel in years to come.

Thunderbeast wrote: VonD, with all the love in my heart.... That is really too much gear for a 20 year old.
What are you going to do by the time you are 25? Just take 5 times that amount?

You really need to be smart about this... More is almost never beter.
Not all the money in the world can buy you new kidneys if there is not a willing matching donor...

Im pretty sure 00pump will also frown upon this... Im pretty sure even oom jack would think it to be excessive...
You probably just need to train harder and sleep more...

Stay safe... This game is not a sprint...

Howzit Bru, I agree with Thunderbeast. Keep it safe for now.

Regards

look don't take this the wrong way. you honestly think that the answers to massive muscle growth lies in the syringe. as much genetics play a role so does longevity. it didnt take andrew hudson 3 years to be 115kgs on stage. u will need time and consistancy bro.. like everyone else says its not a sprint race... most pros are 25+ before they turn pro... time and time and rest and more time is what u need or u are gonna end up shitting out your kidneys when they fail when you are 28

Diet.geneTics.training all that plays a role i know.i just like tren because of the gains and strenght and no water.