1st Cycle

Hi Gents

Had a look around the net and saw this is a forum with a lot of experience in steroids.
My question is the following.
I'm looking at planning my 1st cycle with Test P and Primoplex/Oxandroplex from AXIO LABS.
Main reason for the choice is a family friend that has been using a while.
Will this be good as a starting cycle? I saw Test with dynabols all over the net as a good starter, will that be better?

Bio

28years
105kg
16% BF
BB for 3 years now.
Im looking to pack some size.
As for PCT is Tamoxiplex ok?

I'd keep it simple with just Test E or C and Dbol or Tbol for the first 4 weeks depending on your goals, I'm currently on my first cycle of Test C and Dbol and its been awesome! I'm two months in and I've picked up 7.5kgs I used proviron 50mg ED so there is hardly any water retention

IMO you will definitely be happy with a simple first cycle!

Take in consideration.....

First cycle with Test prop, Virgin Muscle..... EINA ! (but i have never used anything else as a base )

I think test with var and proviron will do you good.

Test prop @ 150mg EOD for 8 weeks
Anavar @ 60mg ED for 8 weeks.
OPTIONAL - Proviron @ 40mg ED for 10 weeks

PCT will be 14 days after your last pin. HCG , Clomid, Nolvadex will suffice

*PS - Proper diet and training program to get to around 13 - 14% BF, and then use gear.

Reason for test prop is I can't get test E/C. If test P is an issue I will rather wait till I can find some.

My advice would be to stay away from steroids until you have done a lot more research! You are still at that stage where you think Nolvadex is a proper PCT. Get your diet and training spot on, do a lot of reading especially on gyno, then climb onto roids when the time is right and you don't end up damaging yourself.

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Take back what I said, I agree with pyro,

I missed out on the fact he didnt even know what PCT to run

Volstruis wrote: Reason for test prop is I can't get test E/C. If test P is an issue I will rather wait till I can find some.

Luister wat ons se, Diet, Oefen, en gaan doen navorsing i.v.m PCT

Lees

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

I have read it and I am planning to only start when I have my stack 100% ready,no issues there.
I am also aware that Tamoxiplex isn't a PCT on its own, I was just asking to see if the product is ok to use in the PCT stack. Hence the question about Test P over Test E/C as well, I know Prop pins hurt and all over the net everyone says test e/c is better.But like most topics on the interweb there is no consensus with majority saying yay and some other nay. I'm trying to get everything right 1st time round so pardon me if the questions seem like I'm being gullible and over zealous. I don't plan on going in blind at all as I'm reading up like a machine trying to get the most out of the cycle.
This will all commence once BF is round about 13% and I agree Oupa that my diet needs some work but I can resolve that.

I have been using test Prop for many years, works for my *system*.

Your body might react differently. You will HAVE to test your own *system*..

My body never *liked* long ester steroids, but react very well on short esters, 10 weeks max for me.

If you can handle discomfort of muscle pain for a week or 3, go for Test Prop ! It works fast, and is out of your system fast...

Oupa wrote: I have been using test Prop for many years, works for my *system*.

Your body might react differently. You will HAVE to test your own *system*..

My body never *liked* long ester steroids, but react very well on short esters, 10 weeks max for me.

If you can handle discomfort of muscle pain for a week or 3, go for Test Prop ! It works fast, and is out of your system fast...

Hi Oupa,

What do you mean when you say your body didn't like long esters? Just curious...

Volstruis wrote: I have read it and I am planning to only start when I have my stack 100% ready,no issues there.
I am also aware that Tamoxiplex isn't a PCT on its own, I was just asking to see if the product is ok to use in the PCT stack. Hence the question about Test P over Test E/C as well, I know Prop pins hurt and all over the net everyone says test e/c is better.But like most topics on the interweb there is no consensus with majority saying yay and some other nay. I'm trying to get everything right 1st time round so pardon me if the questions seem like I'm being gullible and over zealous. I don't plan on going in blind at all as I'm reading up like a machine trying to get the most out of the cycle.
This will all commence once BF is round about 13% and I agree Oupa that my diet needs some work but I can resolve that.

If ur going to go ahead with the cycle I'm still going to recommend using Test E or C as its ur first cycle ur going to gain a good amount of weight regardless,

I really don't see the need to spend that amount of money on a first cycle when 2 vials of Test C and Dianabol is going to be cheaper, but if money isn't an issue then go for it...

Mr T

I get irritated and agitated waaaayyyy to easy, and this is bad for business, and family life...)

But like i said, thats how my body handles it.... 10 weeks is enough

So for the best results on a test P and Dbol cycle(1st cycle) which will be better 8/10 weeks?
I have read a few sites and there is some debate around this with good sources for each.

Bud, just do the beginners bulk, it works perfect.

Just remember, one cycle wont make you a Stallone, its going to take a few PROPER cycles to achieve what you want.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/images/downlo...e-cycles/Cycle-1.pdf

Yeah I was really looking at it earlier this afternoon. As for Stallone I would be happy if I can break some plateau's and gain some bulk I will be happy, not expecting to turn into John Cena.
But the most important thing for me is being safe and protecting my body as much possible.

So after doing some research and some more and some more. I'm going to do a test only cycle with the related pct on the site.
So I dropped another 2kgs and want to start 1st of June. That being said I really want to try the Test Prop is there anything apart from the pins being sore that would warrant me to avoid it for a first cycle?

The price. And frequency of injections.

Rotate pin sites is important when pinning ED or EOD. Glutes and Delts is what i suggest.

As dit moontlik is, kry PGW Prop 100, na 3 of 4 keer se pin voel jy fokkol.

In Afrikaans - Die seer is soos as iemand jou n moerse lammie gegee het, dit hou so 3 dae dans dit weg.

Pyroclasm wrote: The price. And frequency of injections.

En dit ^^ ... prys

Oupa wrote: Mr T

I get irritated and agitated waaaayyyy to easy, and this is bad for business, and family life...)

But like i said, thats how my body handles it.... 10 weeks is enough

May I ask what your frequency of injections were, reason I ask is that I had that to when I injected once a week, but when I split shots bi weekly my hormone levels were more stable.

Oupa wrote: Rotate pin sites is important when pinning ED or EOD. Glutes and Delts is what i suggest.

As dit moontlik is, kry PGW Prop 100, na 3 of 4 keer se pin voel jy fokkol.

In Afrikaans - Die seer is soos as iemand jou n moerse lammie gegee het, dit hou so 3 dae dans dit weg.

Nvm soos my gat gelees

Koe007 wrote:

Oupa wrote: Mr T

I get irritated and agitated waaaayyyy to easy, and this is bad for business, and family life...)

But like i said, thats how my body handles it.... 10 weeks is enough

May I ask what your frequency of injections were, reason I ask is that I had that to when I injected once a week, but when I split shots bi weekly my hormone levels were more stable.

Testen 300 once a week @ 2ml. +- 10 weeks in i become a real doos. I know it, and friends even tell me wtf.

12 weke in dans ek so geirriteerd ek kan my eie kak met klippe gooi

@ Volstruis

Die een

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/gallery/category/122-prop-100

Volstruis wrote: Nvm soos my gat gelees

Hahaha ok no prob