machine

hi , been off for a while , good to be back.

will try stay off the attitude from now on.

anyway i am 31, about 28% bf , weigh 90kg and i want to lean out before i go for bulk in mid winter so for now this is my cycle.

On DJ diet he did for me last time to lean out ( thanks DJ that was kick ass bro)and training a muscle group a day. 2 days on 1 off 3 on and 1 off. Started on the 28th March. I am doing the classic var ( alpha ) 60mg ED split into 3 doses a day. also doing 50 mg paki Beyer proviron (25mg tabs) in the morning. and i am on 4iu gh from Usteroids. going for 8 weeks on the var then want to bridge straight to bulk... suggestions

So i want to add norditropin 5iu EOD cause the gh leans me out lakka without chowing my muscle mass up until bulk and then keep going with gh throughout bulk as well

I am planning on using the box of follistatin from proto peptides as well as the igf3 from Turbovital ( one after the other or maybe together , cause i tried their frag and it was KAK!!) with a test for my bulk cycle , what anabolics are best to stack with this ?

When are you just going to leave steroids and do it with hard work? I am just curious.

probably soonish bro, think this might be my last time, but i think i might always bang at least 1 cycle a year in winter and i dont want to go apeshit anymore. just i have the Turbovital and the foli left that i would need to use to make use of.

I think i might just use pharma grade as well. will keep me from overindulging

Re-read your other thread and what kicked me in the face was this:

machine wrote: so i had hernia operation done on the 17th March and been off gym since then and i can start doing stationary cardio from the 18th April.and light weights from the 18 May and bang it from the 18th june. I am 30 yrs , 1.76 m and 85.7 kg when last i weighed my self. My bf% is on 23% however i think this is inaccurate and i will confirm specs tomoro. So i want to start with yahom ,clen and river to drop bf% up until the 18th June when i start my cycle.

Week 1- 4 - 100mg anap per day (1)i have concidered doing Primo ace oral in stead, your thoughts please
Week 1 - 15 - 320mg super test (start off with the sa sus for fist 3 weeks cause i got stock then do the super)per week
Week 1 - 15 - 1050mg equi per week
Week 1 - 15 - 600mg primo per week
Week 1 - 15 - 5iu GH( Norditropin) 2days on 1 day off
Week 1 - 20 - letro 6drops everyday (2) definatley thinking of arimadex here cause my dick die and i get mif on letro
Week 15 - 20 - 60mg proviron (3) whatabout 40 mg ED all the way through cycle
Week 15 - 20 - Stanazol 50mg per day
Week 15 - 20 - Clen 40mcg pyramid up to 120mcg 2 days on 2 days off (take Ketotifen)

this is going to be my best cycle yet and i want to put on as much lean muscle mass as possible, and look great come
dec

That was last year April. So after a million compounds you managed to gain 5% bodyfat from what I can see. Have you planned your next cycle yet? I mean the one after this one!

Edit: You do realise that you managed the same results as my 55 year old mother? AND she did it without any chemical help... She doesn't gym either...

I was guestimating 28 % so ja am pritty sure its right, so then its 5% and I am 90 now as well so I gained some muscle mass though , but not worth the cycle though.

Anyway I get your point bro...and no I have not planed next cycle yet, I am on this var cycle at the moment hey, just starte so will prob do pct and then finish that foli and igf I got.

But ja the primo didn't work lakka with me either , swelled up , and joints got so sore that I couldn't evem lift weights. It was kak.

If you go run the number you have less muscle mass now. I've told you a million times, your body is burned out and you'll have to take a lot of time off to recover. And I'm sure I told you to take two years off.

The thing is, everybody here is giving you the same advice and you don't seem to listen. You will be getting less and less advice because of you not listening.

So, from me, you will not get any advice except the above.

Vega- Hey what's up bud, been a while , yeah I hear you man , don't you see the this cycle compared to the last one. I get the point ??

Bro why dont you diet down naturally first and see where you get to. Like everyone tells the woman who come here to the forum- steroids are not for weight loss.

Glad you are waking up to the advice you have been given, even if a bit late.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Bro why dont you diet down naturally first and see where you get to. Like everyone tells the woman who come here to the forum- steroids are not for weight loss.

Glad you are waking up to the advice you have been given, even if a bit late.

yeah i am make out bro , i have already start the Var Cycle and i think i will just finish it off as a mild cycle and stick to it as it was posted on the Forum. yeah i am focusing hard on diet now as well. Cause i have realized that it key

Pyroclasm wrote: Re-read your other thread and what kicked me in the face was this:

machine wrote: so i had hernia operation done on the 17th March and been off gym since then and i can start doing stationary cardio from the 18th April.and light weights from the 18 May and bang it from the 18th june. I am 30 yrs , 1.76 m and 85.7 kg when last i weighed my self. My bf% is on 23% however i think this is inaccurate and i will confirm specs tomoro. So i want to start with yahom ,clen and river to drop bf% up until the 18th June when i start my cycle.

Week 1- 4 - 100mg anap per day (1)i have concidered doing Primo ace oral in stead, your thoughts please
Week 1 - 15 - 320mg super test (start off with the sa sus for fist 3 weeks cause i got stock then do the super)per week
Week 1 - 15 - 1050mg equi per week
Week 1 - 15 - 600mg primo per week
Week 1 - 15 - 5iu GH( Norditropin) 2days on 1 day off
Week 1 - 20 - letro 6drops everyday (2) definatley thinking of arimadex here cause my dick die and i get mif on letro
Week 15 - 20 - 60mg proviron (3) whatabout 40 mg ED all the way through cycle
Week 15 - 20 - Stanazol 50mg per day
Week 15 - 20 - Clen 40mcg pyramid up to 120mcg 2 days on 2 days off (take Ketotifen)

this is going to be my best cycle yet and i want to put on as much lean muscle mass as possible, and look great come
dec

That was last year April. So after a million compounds you managed to gain 5% bodyfat from what I can see. Have you planned your next cycle yet? I mean the one after this one!

Edit: You do realize that you managed the same results as my 55 year old mother? AND she did it without any chemical help... She doesn't gym either...

I have been out of the gym since last year when i got to sick on the previous cycle and then i swelled to much and joints go to sore that i could not even get to the gym let alone lift any weight , fat load of good that did me. so yeah i should have listened.but all considering i have gained the extra weight and only 5% bf increase with no diet and no weights since then so i am in poor shape

Anyways my point is i am where i am at with no training cause i had a problem with my graft and then i had to work after hours so i could make up cash cause my day job was paying late and in drips and drabs . Ahhh imagine getting your salary in installmets. So i have left and found a better job and now i can train after work again

machine wrote: Vega- Hey what's up bud, been a while , yeah I hear you man , don't you see the this cycle compared to the last one. I get the point ??

I can see its way more conservative but i would still say, take aome time off.

Endocrine system is fried that's for sure.. I don't even want to know the state of your hormones.

But yes the cycle is more conservative than your usual, maybe after this one just hit some natural dieting with a shite load of cardio and get lean. Gonna have to leave the gear alone at some point.

hey chapel, yeah i have been for bloods in jan after pct and recently , all is well just prolactin a bit high but that's norm cause of the effexor i take daily , it elevates prolactin levels, and yeah my liver function is a bit fried but that will repair , i am on milk thistle. Kidney function is lakka and test levels have dropped back down to 14ish

But yes i agree, it does seem less is more because you can keep to the cosistancy and get better results long term.

Hows a dash of good Karma there bro. I am working on it ...

I have been doing mma and krav cause it lakka cardio but dont push it too hard cause dont want to chow all my mass and look like fighter. but i dig it hey its lakka. you can FSU

That's a good mind set change man.

thinking of doing a winter bulk 100mg t enath + 900 equip + 5 week anaps front load at 100mg

and then add that IGF LR3 in mid cycle what do think ?

the other option is to go for NPP instead of equip, i have never tried NPP and also i get gyno easy so that why i stay away from the nor -19

I'm guessing you ment 1000mg of test enanthate, and 900mg equi,and 5 weeks of anaps @100mg a day. ....

And you wonder why you get Gyno??? .... :huh: :pinch:

ja i used to go a bit overboard, you think i should rather do 600 test and 600 equip

and maybe 50mg anaps for like 50 days as a frontload

CHAPEL wrote: Endocrine system is fried that's for sure.. I don't even want to know the state of your hormones.

But yes the cycle is more conservative than your usual, maybe after this one just hit some natural dieting with a shite load of cardio and get lean. Gonna have to leave the gear alone at some point.

before i started var cycle my bloods were fine bro , but thanks for the concern. i see where you are coming from

How long did you wait after PCT to do your bloods? And what did you test bro?

Pyroclasm wrote: How long did you wait after PCT to do your bloods? And what did you test bro?

8 months about hey, i test for testosterone, liver and kidney function, prolactin and ummmm there was another one let me go checksee quick

it was the SHBG and % free test it looks like

How long after PCT did you wait to do these bloods? Mind posting the results? I'm curious..

cause remember i fcked out on that last crazy cycle i did I waited about 8 months hey. umm the test was 12 and the prolactin was a bit high as always cause i take effexor ( mood stabelizer) and one of its sides are elevated prolactin levels. prolactin was 7

Some tests are different than others so I need reference ranges please bud.