Your first cycle

If you were able to go back to redo your first cycle, knowing what you know now, what cycle would you do?

Would do test cyp only.

Reason being? And @ what dose?

500mg per week. I love dbol but I would like to go back and see how much I could have gained with test alone.

If i could go back to age 18, no gear would have been my choice.

Oupa - @ what age would you have done your first cycle then?

If i go back to that age i wouldn't have fucked up and ended up in jail getting involved with steroids. As doing drugs at such a young age can cause havoc, but who cares a shit, it was lekka while it lasted!

Don't be mistaken, nothing wrong with a good cycle, but i would have started at a much later age as recreational user. Around 30.

My first was 400mg of depotrone (pharma grade test cyp) for 10 weeks but I should have run the test 12 weeks as I was still making gains after 10. But firstly I wish I had started the cycle with lower body fat. Secondly I wish I'd put as much time and effort into researching how to eat properly as I did on doing the cycle. I also wish I didn't skimp on ancilliaries to save a few bucks. Should have had adex/letro on hand on every cycle.

I don't see an oral kickstart or adding other compounds as necessary for a first cycle. It's good to see how you respond to just testosterone. But if you have all your bases covered and have done the research then fine. But you will gain loads of strength and mass off just testosterone if you do it right. Diet is key.

Thanks Oupa, I appreciate the honesty man.

MA- pharma grade test, I like the sound of that, does one have to go through a doctor to get that and is it better than normal test cyp?
What would be better, adex or letrozole ?
So if one was to do test only, @ a low dose, for a first cycle, a good cycle length would be 14 weeks, min 12, max 16 ??
No kick start, but what about a bridge?

Depotrone isn't around anymore but PGW test is just as good and if anything it is slightly overdosed, not underdosed.

Gains generally slow down for most people after 10 to 12 weeks on just testosterone. The shorter you are on, the faster you recover, so it's not good to compromise recovery for minimal benefits. Which is why for a first cycle I'd keep to 12. Recovery even after PCT from a long cycle is a bitch, and the hormonal mess is often way more than what newbies expect.

For bridge I'd go with anavar starting 2weeks before your bridge and run for 6 weeks. Minimal side effects, and since you're mostly after strength gains.

I am currently on my first cycle. Running the below. PGW and LP

• 500mg Test cyp - wk 1-10
• 40mg dbol - wk 1-4
• 60mg proviron - wk 1 till before pct.

MA, I feel like I should be paying you for your knowledge. Seriously bro. Big up for the help. You deserve a thousand karma.

sorry for the hijack, just for my knowledge, would you still follow PCT 2 for a test only cycle? and make sure you have an AI on hand

Yes Garth always have an AI on hand. Do PCT 2 for any cycle that contains Test or harsher. Gyno is ugly.

My first cycle was Test-En and EQ. Was great just wish I had used PGW Test and not Bayer Schering as the stuff was underdosed/fake.

Did a cyp/dbol + var/prov bridge. I wouldn't change a thing because of the great advice I got from the members here whilst researching my first cycle.

Some members here are worth their weight in gold - hopefully one day I'll be able to do the same for another newbie.

Muscleaddict wrote: My first was 400mg of depotrone (pharma grade test cyp) for 10 weeks but I should have run the test 12 weeks as I was still making gains after 10. But firstly I wish I had started the cycle with lower body fat. Secondly I wish I'd put as much time and effort into researching how to eat properly as I did on doing the cycle. I also wish I didn't skimp on ancilliaries to save a few bucks. Should have had adex/letro on hand on every cycle.

Why so? What was your body fat at the time?

Oupa wrote: If i go back to that age i wouldn't have fucked up and ended up in jail getting involved with steroids. As doing drugs at such a young age can cause havoc, but who cares a shit, it was lekka while it lasted!

Don't be mistaken, nothing wrong with a good cycle, but i would have started at a much later age as recreational user. Around 30.

I also was almost arrested for gear in grade 11, I was lucky I managed to get legal help and won the case on procedure

i wasn't arrested for drugs or steroids.

Yoh I must find a grade 11 laaitie selling steroids the cops will be the last of his worries!

Pyroclasm wrote: Yoh I must find a grade 11 laaitie selling steroids the cops will be the last of his worries!

Go to any high school, you will find many

Oupa wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Yoh I must find a grade 11 laaitie selling steroids the cops will be the last of his worries!

Go to any high school, you will find many

Only cause I haven´t found them!

Oupa wrote: i wasn't arrested for drugs or steroids.

Vir wat dan

Nee wat ou maat, ons los dit net so.

My first cycle was actually my first major setback. Started training in 2002 at age 16 with a buddy we were the same age weight and height jis ek was n maer gat 60kg trained hard and comitted until end 2004 weighed 75kg. Started working as trainee that sam December trained in 2005 then August 2005 went to London, Met a buddy there and started training with him also the same age as me but this ou was huge he admitted buying himself his first cyp cycle at 18. So the talking startded. Feb 2007 Igot some BD Decabol 250 het net 1ml n week gespuit no Test and no pct end result I went from a lean hard ripped 95kg at age 22 to an obese 130kg. At the start of this year I started researching steroids to find out where I went wrong. I also emailed and iritated the shit out off Admin this guy also deserves a medal and a statue for his help and patience thanks Admin. I am now respected in my local gym standing 1.70m weighing 110kg after some diet and cardio and blood work I ran some test cyp and winny with prov and letro the winny was my bridge to pct after that I hit PCT 3 but ran Nolva and Aromsin for 60days not 30 and it worked a treat.