Cycle Advise and PCT advise Please

Hi,

I'm new to the forum and would like some cycle and PCT advise please.

I have read through the PCT section as well as most of the other sections
and just would like to double check if the cycle I'm planning is correct with the forum and see if there is possibly anything I've left out.

Age: 29
Height: 195cm
Weight: 118Kg
B/F: 22 (I know its a bit on the high side I am planning to have it at about 20% by the time I start the cycle)

Strength Stats(Just an indication):
Bench - 140Kg x 8 Reps
Incline Dumbell Press: 60Kg x 10 Reps
Leg Press: 440Kg
Leg Extensions: 100Kg
Squats: Previous back injury - Doc advised against

Starting training @ 16 been gyming on and off since then, last 4 years have been into heavy lifting
and have been dedicated.

Training Program:

Mondays
Morn: Cardio 4.5km run
Aft: Weights - Back & Triceps

Tuesday:
Aft: Weights - Chest & Abs

Wednesdays:
Morn: Cardio 45 min Cycle (+- 20Km)

Thursday:
Aft: Weights - Legs

Friday:
Morn: Cardio 4.5Km run
Aft: Weights - Shoulders and Biceps

Sat/Sun:
Rest

Diet:

06:00 - "Smoothie" (2 Scoops SSN whey,200ml Fat Free Milk, 1 x Banana, 50g Oats + 1 Teaspoon Peanut Butter)

09:00 - Snack (150g x Chick Breast/ 150g x Lean Red Meat + Handful grapes)

12:00 - Lunch (250g x Chich / 250g Steak + 150g Rice/Sweet Potatoe/Wholgrain Cous cous/Wholegrain Pasta + mixed Veg)

15:00 - Snack (150g x Chick Breast / 150g x Biltong - no fat + Apple)

19:00 - Dinner (250g x Chich/ 250g x Steak/Mince / 200g Fish Crumbed & Green Salad/Veg)

21:00 - SSN whey 2 Scoops with 200ml Fat Free Milk)

Planned Cycle:
Winstrol Oral 30 - 40mg every day (Week 1 - 4)
Test E 400mg - Once a week (Week 1 - 10)
Anavar 50mg - every day (Week 10 - 13 ) Using as Bridge


Post Cycle: PCT2 (Please advise if PCT2 is enough or would need PCT3)
Start Date: 30 days after last Test-E shot (Will be off Anavar for 5 days by then as well)

Please advise what AI I should keep on hand during the cycle?

Any comments and suggestions on Cycle, PCT, Training, Diet are welcome.

Thanks,

I know I've given a lot of info.

Here is a little more which I forgot to add:

Cycle History:
1st Cycle (Sep 2013) - Anavar only (40 - 80mg ED for 8 Weeks)
2nd Cycle (Feb 2014) - Winstrol Oral (30 - 40mg ED) + Anavar (50mg ED) for 6 Weeks

I'll be the first to admit they weren't the best planned cycles but I was just seeing
how my body would react. Should have done more research when it came to Cycle 2, I'm lucky
my liver is still working and healthy!

My goals for the Cycle 3 which will only be started in July are to firm up and build lean muscle while losing Body Fat.

You haven't been following that diet if you're 22% bf despite doing all that cardio. Your diet must be pretty kak bro and diet is key when you're on a cycle.

Test E you must inject twice a week. You will feel a big difference and considerably reduce your chances of getting bad acne, and you'll also have less estrogen conversion. Anavar and winstrol are not fat burners. They are used in 'cutting' cuttles because their effects are enhanced at low body fat levels. At your bf % you won't see their benefits, especially the anavar considering the price and the short duration you plan to run it. Anavar should be run 5+ weeks to get the most out of it.

Rather start with tbol instead of winstrol and bridge with winstrol instead of anavar. That should cost you about the same and give better results.

Best would be to first shred some fat, maybe with clen/yohimbine or FFF and eat right to get your body fat down more before you cycle.

Hi, your bf% is very high for a cycle, so expect that some of the guys will be giving you trouble. And you results on cycle will be crap. Why don't you try fff for 2 months and get bf down to below 14 or 12 is better.

Good luck.

Thanks MA,

Will look into the Tbol and Change the anavar bridge to Whinny.

Been following that diet for about 12 months.
When I started my transformation 4 years ago I was close to 140kg which was put on due to a rubgy back injury which left me unable to train for 24 months.

Since last year Sep I started to plateau and results have been dindling, that's when I started
with the First cycle.

My concern with Clen or FFF is that it will burn everything including the muscle I've worked very hard to gain back?

Any Advice?

Clen should not do that unless your diet and training is out of whack. Its t3 you need to worry about muscle wasting unless on cycle. Listen to the boys and shed a bit more fat for your own good. Think of clen as anti catabolic if you have not just come off a cycle.

Both Clen and FFF have muscle sparing effects. If you lose muscle it's from something else.

Thank you all for the advise.

- Have contacted my guy to get me FFF (Seems better then Clen for the ariticles on the website)
will run for 12 weeks using same diet in original post as well as training program

Q: I know it will vary from person to person but can anyone tell me a ball park figure of the B/F percentage I should drop in those three months?

- My current supplement stack is as follows: 4 x SSN Whey Protein (As per Diet)
2 x Milk Thistle in morning
4 x Creatine X4 before work out (Weight Training days
and first thing in mrn on Non Weight days)
3 x BPI Anabolic (1x After B/F, Lunch and Dinner)
6 x Phenadrine Xtreme Biogen (3 before B/F and Lunch)
2 x BPI vortex before Workout (Weight days only)
2 x GABA750 before bed

Q: As per article on FFF, I would need to drop the Phenadrine Xtreme can the others still be used while on the FFF?

- Cycle to start in July: T-Bol 50mg ED (Week 1 - 4)
Test E 600mg (300mg twice a week: Week 1 - 10)
Whinny Oral 30 - 40mg ED (Week 10 - 13)

Q: Considering Liver toxicity is 6 weeks break enough between T-Bol and Whinny?

Q: Would PCT2 be sufficient and it would still start 30 days after last Test E pin?

Thanks again for the help.

You will need to lose 12kg before you cycle, use the FFF on its own, use the Tbol for 21 days rather and yes 7 weeks will be fine provided you use your liver support and drink lots of water, PCT2 after 30 days - correct. Keep us posted with your weight loss and good luck.

Hi Gents,

Just thought I'd give you a quick update.

1 month down, and 4kg dropped training and eating as per my original post.
Not a sip of Alcohol or sniff of a cheat meal in the last month.

I started with Clen on Monday and am running as per Pyro's post "All you need to know about Clen".
Will run the Clen for May and June. I'm hoping to be down to the 108Kg Fillet mentioned before I cycle.

After doing a lot more research in the forum I was thinking of the following cycle to start in July.

Cycle: Week 1 - 9 Test Prop @ 450mg p/w
Week 1 - 3 & 9 - 10.5 Tbol @ 40mg ED
Week 1 - 10.5 Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD
Week 4 - 10.5 HGC @ 500ui p/w

Post Cycle to start 14 days after last Test Prop Pin and 2 days after last tbol tab.

Post Cycle: Day 1 - 7 Clomid @ 100mg (50/50) ED
Day 8 - 37 Nolvadex @ 40mg ED
Day 8/10/12 HGC @ 250ui P/D

If I run the HGC during my cycle as Muscle Addict suggests on other post, I'll only have 750ui left for the post cycle - will this be a problem or is it ok as I'll run it through the cycle?

Good job bro

Going well Heritage. Well done.

But now is the time to add in the once a week "cheat meal". It isn't to keep you sane. It is purely functional. It will boost your metabolism and increase your fat burning.

The best is to have your cheat meal the day before a big muscle group like legs. Also do your cardio after weights.

FIllet wrote: Tbol for 21 days rather

T-Bol 5-6 weeks for best results. You are thinking of D-Bol?

Pyroclasm wrote:

FIllet wrote: Tbol for 21 days rather

T-Bol 5-6 weeks for best results. You are thinking of D-Bol?

Correct thanks and yes i was thinking dbol - skim reading LOL

Heritage how come you decided to run prop for first cycle ?
As instead of test e/c ? As your have to pin more frequently and it's gunna cost you 3x as much.

Good point. I was advised to run Test blend for cycle and switch to Test prop EOD for bridge period.

Nate40 wrote: Good point. I was advised to run Test blend for cycle and switch to Test prop EOD for bridge period.

Solid advice that was given to you.

Hi Guys,

Firstly, thanks for all the advice.

@Nate40 & Cyclo - Thanks for the kind words.


@ Cyclo, I generally do cardio at 04:15 am and only allow myself 1:15 hours to hit weights
at 17:00 in the afternoon. I try not not get home to late so I can still spend time with my two lighties. There is therefore a long break in between cardio & weights. Is it absolutely neccessary to switch to doing the cardio after weights? Happy to hear about the cheat meal, will gladly have one once a week.

@ Pyro & Fillet, I've already purchased the T-bol. Should I run it then 6 weeks at the start of the cycle or 6 weeks at the end and up till post cycle. If I run it at the beggining should get Winstrol to bridge (Lots of orals then...will it not be to harsh on the liver)

@ Mike504, I went with Prop as from what I've heard it is faster acting and you see quicker results as well as you retain less water on it(Which is more inline with my goals of looking leaner and harder). I also like the idea of only waiting 14 days until hitting the post cycle. Basically pros outwayed the cons of regular pins and possible painful pins.

@ Everyone, if I run the HCG during my cycle as mentioned - will it be a problem if I have so little left for post cycle?

Thanks again.

I wouldn't skimp on the HCG bro. If you need to buy more then you will have to buy more or your balls will vanish bro.
I had stopped HCG for a short period and I had visible shrinkage.
Take the advice of the pros on here and start HCG from week 4 at 250IU's twice a week and continue it right up until PCT.

Hi Nate,

Thanks, to be honest Ive got no problem to get more HGC. My confusion comes in when everyone says up to PCT. So you run HGC @ 500ui from week 4 up until start PCT, then should I following PCT 2 including the HCG as recommended in the PCT advice section?

Thanks,

If you run HCG during your cycle, you do not need to run hcg during pct.

Thank you Oupa for clearing that up to me.

Any Advice on the T-Bol at the start of the cycle and bridging with Winstrol.
I would like to do the T-Bol upfront for 5 weeks, then start the Winstrol from Week 9 - 10.5
leading up to PCT.

My concerns are firstly, liver toxicity and secondly is two & half weeks Whinny even going to work as bridge?

Oupa can advise better here bro.
When you going to start?

Hi Nate,

Starting first week July. Still going to cut BF for the next two months.

Thanks,

Good idea dude. Wishing you all the best my bro. And welcome to our family