First cycle - Tbol( Please add your views or idea)

hi guys

so after much conteplation between tbol, var and dbol. I decided to go with tbol. ?

My goal is to gain as much muscle mass before september 1st 2014.

Will running tbol 40 mg on training days and 2 on my one rest day for 4 weeks (100 pills) be suitable?

I plan to also use proviron throughout my course, just dont know when?

As a pct im considering clommid or nolva?

Kindly critique my first cycle ideas and goal?

Thank a million.


is tbol the best out of the 3 mentioned for my goal?

Morning bud.

Please give us all your stats, I.e: age, BF%, height, training history, diet etc.. I see you have never mentioned any of this.

I can also tell you haven't done much research bru. If you had done your research you'd know that this is a crap 1st cycle. You may as well throw your money away bru!

We can't advise further until you give us more info about yourself bru....

okay well im an mma fighter, ive been given some time to bulk up till my next fight. im in the gym six days a week.

my split: bicep/chest
shoulders/triceps
back/legs
(repeat except do legs once a week)

been training for a solid year and half now.

Been bulking put on 5 kilos. i weigh 70.8 kgs and have 14.% bf.

my diet:

breakies: oats and 4 scrambled eggs. ( 3 whites 1with yolk)
10 am : chicken/steak/fish with brown rice and broccoli or mispxed veggies
12: chicken/steak /fish with sweet potato and a serious mass shake.
2 ish: GYM TIME! !!
after gym i have my serious mass shake again.
dinner: varies. consists of either chicken, fish or steak and rice or mash and veggies
before i sleep i have a tri whey shake.

i also have a couple tbl spoons of peanut butter throughout the day..

Hope you guys can help me now? any suggestions will be much appreciated.

oh sorry im 22 and im not keen on injecting for my first cycle. The reason i was gonna start with tbol was because ireadand heard thet the gain were one of quality and majority are maintained after pct. Also tbol said to not have harsh androgenic side effects appealed to me.

Yeah thats much better Wolf_brah.. Bru what is your height?

It will be much better if you start with an injectable testosterone. How do you feel about injecting bru?
if you gonna use a longer easter, you can front load with T-Bol > that will work. But gains are not huge on T-Bol, I assure you of that! that's incorrect info you have been given bud! You would use the T-Bol as a front load, while waiting for the longer Easter of the test to kick in. You would run the T-Bol For the 1st 5 weeks. T-Bol is an awesome compound that's mild on your liver and you shouldn't have any bloat etc. But bru, you have been miss informed regarding the gains and that you will keep them after PCT.

Keeping your gains after PCT will depend on your genetic make up as well as your nutrition and training. It's got nothing to do with the compound you use. You could loose all your gains from any compound if all these things are not in check after or during your PCT period.

Bru, this will be your 'Golden Cycle' So let's make sure you do it the best and most correct way possible! I wish I had all this info available when I did my first cycle.

I do think 22 is young to do an AS cycle. You could probably get great gains without AS.

Im 165 (cm). Im not to keen on injecting for my first cycle ay. Uhm I do yield quite niece gains naturally as I am still young but I have 4 months only. I need to bulk up. What would you recommend for some quality gains in terms of an oral course? I follow my diet strictly and rarely miss a gym session.

stupid idea to bulk up on orals ! stupid.

wolf_brah wrote: Im 165 (cm). Im not to keen on injecting for my first cycle ay. Uhm I do yield quite niece gains naturally as I am still young but I have 4 months only. I need to bulk up. What would you recommend for some quality gains in terms of an oral course? I follow my diet strictly and rarely miss a gym session.

My bru, I'm gonna opt out to advise on an oral only cycle. I just can't put my 'stamp' on an oral cycle for you my bru, that will get you your results! Personally I feel if you not keen to inject, you not ready for any AS cycle. You can achieve your goals naturally in the time frame you have, I.M.H.O.

I'm sure the other guys will give there thoughts around this bru.

Oupa wrote: stupid idea to bulk up on orals ! stupid.

Bloat up!

So what would I gain off running tbol only?? Im just looking for an oral.. not keen on injecting at all!! Well not yet atleast.

Don't use orals only it's a waste of many and put unnecessary strain on the liver, you wont hold any of the gains, rather spend that money on a few kg's chicken.

Does anyone think doing an oral only cycle to begin with could have the benefit of gauging how suseptable a person is to side effects? Atleast its elimiminated quickly from the body.

Zly65 wrote: Does anyone think doing an oral only cycle to begin with could have the benefit of gauging how suseptable a person is to side effects? Atleast its elimiminated quickly from the body.

No, not really. The benefits of doing a proper cycle right from the start is far better.

wolf_brah wrote: So what would I gain off running tbol only?? Im just looking for an oral.. not keen on injecting at all!! Well not yet atleast.

Reset your balls and hormones into girly mode.

Please wait till you are 24/25 and pin - it's really tough to wait it out and stay motivated when there are lots of mass monsters, but it can ruin you for life if you start to early and make mistakes.

Why the time restrain? Also, at 22 I take it you are a student, non-qualified job. That's okay man, but a cycle will cost loads of money. And not just for the gear itself, but support, supplements and most importantly food to ensure results. All 4 combined make a cycle; remove one link and the chain will not hold.

If you are dead-set on doing an oral only cycle and attempting it at your age, look here: Anavar & Proviron Oral Only
It works as a cutting cycle, but with your stats and good eating habits you will make gains.

Like I said, not cheap, but it's on par what you are asking for. Reality check bud. Hope you have a read through all the stickies and learn the rope before this goes further. We are here to help.

My opinion and advice.

Thanks for all the help guys ( especially ronthesavage and furk) i needed to put on some mass before i start fighting in a different league and weight division. Yes you right still studying!
Think im gonna go with the anavar and proviron only cycle- how much can i expect to gain with that course. (if i keep to my dietand training?

wolf_brah wrote: Thanks for all the help guys ( especially ronthesavage and furk) i needed to put on some mass before i start fighting in a different league and weight division. Yes you right still studying!
Think im gonna go with the anavar and proviron only cycle- how much can i expect to gain with that course. (if i keep to my dietand training?

Okay man, reread your previous posts. Your young, light, short and lean, and I'm sure your MMA training is intense. So I would say go for a 3 day split (Pull-Push-Legs) but plan it so on days you don't lift you have your MMA training. Also increase calories. If you are not cooking for yourself, start to take control and direct it towards advice we give here.

so from what im gathering i can make var work for me interms of bulking up. Will def be cutting down cardio training (mma - gonna do more tech work rather) will also increase cals to 3500. im getting excited! Hope var can help towards my goal?

Haha yeah i do my own cooking. i cook in bulk for a couple days.

Try changing your training and dieting and see what happens. You'll be amazed how you can stimulate your body just by changing things up. I didn't imply you need to necessarily cut down on your MMA, just give your muscles time to grow in between workouts. You don't need a technical split exercising 1 muscle/ day and your lifting experience. You have tons more to achieve naturally, don't worry.

wolf_brah wrote: so from what im gathering i can make var work for me interms of bulking up.

Actually staying off for now will be better IMO. Or if your going to do gear and shut down your HPTA, then you might as well make proper gains from it and do a decent cycle. We can't make up your mind, but we really just have your best interest at heart.

I think you are only taking the pieces of info out of this thread that you want to hear, rather hold of the cycle (when you run your first one do it properly) but rather train hard and eat like a machine the gains will come man.
There are no shortcuts even with gear, so don't rush it.

You want to be "big" by September.

Any course you run now is going to be a minimum of 8 weeks which means you are going to do PCT in September.

You are going to probably feel pretty crappy and it is going to do your fighting no good at all.

By simply tweaking your diet you will get better gains. Food is the most anabolic stuff there is and with your age your natural test should still be sky high.

I also don't understand why you want to move to a higher weight division. You are quite short (even for a lightweight). Most guys would try and cut weight to move down.

Extra bulk could also compromise your flexibility so many subs like triangle, gogoplata, Peruvian necktie etc are going to be difficult if not impossible.

Wow cylo you actually know about those submissions!! Omoplata is my favourite! Well I was aiming for some lean muscle. I want to move up a weight class its about time now. What would the anavar and proviron cycle do for me? With my diet? Listed above.

My pal first of all your age ..your system is still busy machoring give it another year or two
If u going ahead anyway Tbol at 40 mg per day for 50 days = 2 bottles clomid followed by nolva for PCT and use liver sups....U will get a kilo or two increase as well as a bit of strengh and ten to one u will be pissed that u didnt add test which could give u 6 to 8 kg and a lot more strenght ...anavar is used more for cutting not bulking ...most of us crapped our selves about injecting until u do it and find it is piss ...If u are healthy and know what u are doing the beginers bulk is the way to go...your choice goodluck... read the articles sect above.

wolf_brah wrote: Wow cylo you actually know about those submissions!! Omoplata is my favourite!

I've following MMA since UFC 1. I was raving about Coutoure, Liddel, Imanari etc when most guys didn't even know it existed.

I still can't comprehend why you want to increase your weight? I take it you're still an amateur so you can't cut big for a fight and then be back up to weight the next night like the pros.

Even by lightweight standards you're short so if you move up a division things like reach etc will be lacking.

Increased bulk will also compromise your flexibility. Even an omoplata could be difficult. As for a gogoplata (google Shinya Aoki for an awesome gogo).

Anavar will give good strength and cut fat but you would be better advised to rather spend the money on good food.

Keep in mind when u come off u will feel pretty flat in the ring ....food and pre work out caffiene ect will work better for u imo...