Lean Mass, Strength and Cutting Cycle

Greetings all,

Seeing as I could not start my initial cutting cycle in Jan. 2016, due to the feedback I got from the community on my bloods, I was thinking of starting a combination of Anavar, Prop & Tren Ace (Advanced cutting cycle) by admin and Equipoise Powerhouse (Advanced lean mass and strength cycle) by 00pump, after my bloods, Feb. 2016.

I have been maintaining good BF ratio, eating clean and lifting heavy (low rep). Daily HIT cardio, 20min.

How does this 19 week cycle look?

Weeks 1-12
super test 320 (640mg a week)
Eq 350 (700mg a week)

Weeks 10-15
tren a 100 (50mg eod)

Weeks 12-17
test prop 50 (50mg eod)

Weeks 12-19
Anavar 20 (40mg, 60mg, 80mg)
Proviron 20 (100mg)

Week 16-19
Clen 40 (40, 60, 80, 100, 120)

then,

Anastrozole 20 (0.2mg from start to pct)

and,

hCG from week 10 – 15 (250iu eod).

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Pct 3 starts 54 days after last super t injection. (all other compounds clear on the same day).

This time, I want to try and avoid testicular atrophy and was thinking whether or not it be safe to run hCG from start, right up to PCT (19 weeks at 250iu eod), and then PCT3 with Ovidrel?

Feedback from the experienced members would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

Hey bro looks good to me i would add in some sd if i were you- but good luck bro

Run hcg from week 2 maybe 3

100mg of proviron isn't really needed 50mg would do fine

Keep anastrozole on hand if gyno or any estrogen sides appear there's no need to run it from day one

Get cabaser on hand as well I case prolactin sides hit u from tren

Thank you for replying guys, appreciated.

I am still looking to know whether it be safe to run hCG throughout an entire 19week AAS cycle with the idea to avoid testicular atrophy?

Or, can Aromasin be run on cycle throughout the 19weeks?

What is the right way to avoid testicular atrophy?

Aromasin will not do anything for Testicular Atrophy while on cycle, Bud.

What will help to avoid testicular atrophy then?

Only HCG Bud.

Eat clean it might also be a good idea to run hcg at 250iu eod for your whole cycle as it will also help you to recover easier after your cycle

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Only HCG Bud.

Can hCG be taken right through a 19 week Cycle from start right up to PCT and then Ovidrel?

Will hCG not down regulate receptors?

Dankie Rooi Bul 86!

big daddy 08 wrote: Eat clean it might also be a good idea to run hcg at 250iu eod for your whole cycle as it will also help you to recover easier after your cycle

Hey big daddy 08, thanks for the info.

I am concerned about taking hCG too long (especially through the entire cycle and in some cases where Ovidrel is not avail, even through PCT) as I have heard that it is 'not good'.

I am not too knowledgeable in this field and want to make sure I understand before i jump into my next Cycle.

Rich Piana mentions in a youtube video that taking hCG on cycle is stupid as you are telling your balls to produce while the gear is telling your balls to switch off, back and forth.

I have also came across threads claiming that hCG down regulates receptors if you take it 'too long'.

And then there is the 'bro science' in the gyms.

Please guide me here.

I want to avoid testicular atrophy at all costs as I believe that this will yield positive results in keeping maximum amount of gains from AAS Cycle. This i believe is key, and a big reason why i always loose everything I worked so hard for and spend a shit load of money on.

Thanks!

That I can't tell you bud.

Not going to give you advice on something if I am not sure.
Rather let Muscle Addict or one of the more experienced guys comment and guide you there bud.

Hey bro rooi bul is correct rather let muscle addict help you out i am not as experienced as them although i can tell you that rich piana doesnt know what his talking about he also claims that he runs hcg so high that it equals to close to the amount of test he takes per cycle which in my eyes is not possible- with HCG down regulating receptors im really not to sure and dont want to advise you on something im not to sure about.

Thanks guys! Earth calling Muscle!! Could you please give your input?

I use HCG as I need it. Once the boys call for help I use HCG for around 4 weeks of 4 weeks off. All depends what my body wants.

Why do you want to use HCG @ 250iu EOD?

Oupa wrote: I use HCG as I need it. Once the boys call for help I use HCG for around 4 weeks of 4 weeks off. All depends what my body wants.

Why do you want to use HCG @ 250iu EOD?

Thanks for your reply Oupa

250iu EOD as per the sample Cycle EQ Powerhouse on this site. Is this too weak; should i stick to 500iu EOD?

Would you be able to confirm whether or not testicular atrophy can be avoided or if it is inevitable?

Thanks Oupa.

The cycles listed are there for people that do not know their body as well as they should, do not know how much or how little to use of something. Some people get shut down worse than others, the 250iu is a guideline on the EQ cycle I wrote.

00pump wrote: The cycles listed are there for people that do not know their body as well as they should, do not know how much or how little to use of something. Some people get shut down worse than others, the 250iu is a guideline on the EQ cycle I wrote.

This is interesting, I never really thought of it that way.
Everyone reacts differently and gets different side effects from various dosages. Some may need to run an AI and others not, some may get shut down easier when running a certain cycle and others not.

So use certain things to determine when it's best for you to start using something. Depending on how your body reacts you can adjust the amount so that it gets what you want done.

So like Oupa said, you'd possibly wait for testicular atrophy to start before you start running HCG. Then in terms of how much HCG you'd need to reverse (I think that is what HCG would do, or would it just prevent further atrophy?) the atrophy would depend on your body and what other drugs you are putting inside. So perhaps consider using a lower amount and see how it goes, increase it as need be until you find the lowest amount which gives you the effects you want. In this case say 400iu of HCG reverses your testicular atrophy that is what would be recommended and best for you?

Or do I have it all wrong?

Sorry, I know this is off-topic however I am not sure whether it would be worth while creating a whole new thread for this?
If so, feel free to spread it.

Thanks for the input 00pump and PsyClown.

I am just thinking that why do we shoot AAS if we are unable to keep at least a big percentage of the gains?

If we only pay for the performance enhancement properties gained from using AAS, in order to be able to lift heavier and heal quicker, then what's the point?

I mean, the ONLY way to mature muscles is with time. Unless i have no clue how shit works, i would say that taking AAS was never to get big quick and really just assist with performance.

Point is, IF it is even possible (i cannot get clarity on this) to avoid your balls from shrinking in the first place, I tell you now that ou WILL keep more gains, compared to a guy that did PCT to the bone but had testicular atrophy.

I want to try and understand if this is possible. Don't we have a Doctor on this forum

500iu per week is a very accurate dose. This 5000iu dose per week for 2 weeks going around in gyms is bullshit.

Oupa wrote: 500iu per week is a very accurate dose. This 5000iu dose per week for 2 weeks going around in gyms is bullshit.

Thank you for your input Oupa, appreciated!

Would you know whether or not testicular atrophy can be completely avoided? Is this possible? Of so, how?

You won't be able to avoid it.
Even just an Proviron and Anavar Cucle makes nuts shrink, Bud.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: You won't be able to avoid it.
Even just an Proviron and Anavar Cucle makes nuts shrink, Bud.

True

Just takes a bit longer on a low dose but still happens. At a Max dose 8 week Cycle you will notice it sooner though, not as severe as when on Test or Decca or Tren.

But yeah my point is any AAS will cause Testicular Atrophy it is just time and dosage that will cause it to differ.

Will hCG not down regulate receptors?

No. But too much and irresponsible use of hCG could desensitize the testicles for hCG.

Thank you for the input everyone, appreciated!