Praetorian Cycle

I'm planning a cycle, still a bit unsure of certain things but feel free to give some advise....

Week 1 to 4 - Testovirion 250mg/1ml and Sustanon 250mg/1ml twice a week......
Week 5 to 9 - Clenbuterol 40 to 80 mcg per day for 1 week then change to ECA/Y for 1 week......
Week 9 to 13 - Testovirion 250mg/1ml and Sustanon 250mg/1ml twice a week with Dianbol pyramiding from 20mg per day to 35mg per day then back to 20mg
Week 13 to 14 - HCG 5000ui per week

Need for Provirion, Novladex or Clomid??

Why Testoviron and Sustanon?

No need to taper or pyramid Dbol just a waste. What are your stats at the moment? Height, age, weight and BF %

Looks a bit a mess.
Did you forget the anabolics in the week 5 - 9 gap? If not, better do something about that mate.

Take a look at the articles section and look up what PCT will suit best. Nolva and clomid almost always mandatory PCT.

Dianabol tapering not needed. You would be better off using that oral right at the start.

Typing "250mg/ml" tells me you're a greenhorn. Are you trying to say that you will pin 250mg of each? Why testoviron and sust at the same time? Why sust, ever?

I think perhaps you mistyped some of your numbers.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Why Testoviron and Sustanon?

No need to taper or pyramid Dbol just a waste. What are your stats at the moment? Height, age, weight and BF %

Can I swab Dbol with Anavar? Im 195cm, 25, 110kg BF will say between 10 and 20%

Aim of cycle is to bulk....

Why Sus and Testo, I would say for detection periods and I dont want to get tested. Their both simple and I dont want to use too complicated stuff...

Furk wrote: Looks a bit a mess.
Did you forget the anabolics in the week 5 - 9 gap? If not, better do something about that mate.

Take a look at the articles section and look up what PCT will suit best. Nolva and clomid almost always mandatory PCT.

Dianabol tapering not needed. You would be better off using that oral right at the start.

Typing "250mg/ml" tells me you're a greenhorn. Are you trying to say that you will pin 250mg of each? Why testoviron and sust at the same time? Why sust, ever?

I think perhaps you mistyped some of your numbers.

Furk if you can read between 5 and 9 Im taking a break and using Clen and then going back.. and no Im only pinning 1ml of each twice a week. and whats the point in clomid if and going to use HCG?

Well at least I tried being courteous and understanding. I'll let the other members take it from here. Take care mate.

The Sust and Enanthate both have quite long detection times. For such a short period only 5 weeks with a break why not run Test Propionate. The Sust and Enanthate wil just be getting to work and then you stop and then they wil just be clearing your blood and then you jump back on IMO that is looking for trouble and asking for sides.

Also you don't really want to be using Anavar as a kicker if you want to bulk. Read up on the drug profiles bud you wil educate yourself and save any guesswork. I also think you need to read the Steroid Cycle Basics article and the PCT article. HCG only as a PCT is not going to cut it Bud. Another thing I do not get is cycling off of Clenbuterol with ECA. Ephedrine and Clenbuterol work via the same mechanism and receptors so you will not upregulated or give the receptors a break by doing this. Read Pyroclasm's all you need to know about Clenbuterol post and Furk's all you need to know about Yohimbine post.

Disrespecting Furk I would also rate not a wise move bud. He is a well respected member and very knowledgeable. Chances are you are going to need help or advice in the future so watch the attitude... You reap what you sow.

I am not fighting or flaming here just giving sincere advice.

Bf between 10 and 20 fuck bro thats a moerse difference !1000 mg per week of test ? Thats alot of test ! You cant take a break from week 5 to 9 and jump back on . If you worried about getting tested go for mieliepap and mince . Bulk on clen ? Jou cycle lyk kak en luister as die groot honde blaf hulle gee jou die regte raad . Hulle het my baie gehelp

you need to do more research there bud, and between 10 and 20 % is the difference between lean and well, fat. If you are worried about getting tested you are in the wrong place. And if you take offence with guys being direct with you, you are also in the wrong place.

this is not willy wonka's chocolate factory, nobody is going to sugar coat anything.

Good thanks guys for your insight..... I'll have to reconsider and go through the basics.....

And Furk no disrespect meant I guess I need to read very carefully and slow.....

How to you tell what is your BF percentage??
And thanks again RooiBul for explaining why you guys say its kak.

I take it you do some or other kind of sport, thus the worry of being tested. I am also involve in sport and once a month I have an appointment with my biokineticist to check my alignment and also measure my progress. They also do testing regarding fat percentages and that might be a good place to start.

Sure mate will ask my bio, some fitness guy at work told me that if you can see the line of your abdominal muscles your at 10% I guess he's talking BS

That would put you around 15% but also only an estimate as I lean out in my stomach and chest area but then still carry a lot of fat in my back and legs. One thing I have learned is your BF% is never where you think it is.

Hence you saying it Must be measured there is no other way.....

Been reading at bit on cycle basics and PCT, the stuff Ive been told seems to be in contradiction. Looks like just pinning once a week on either one for 6 to 8 weeks will be better with Dbol at start and then Clomid, HCG and Nolvadex for PCT.

Pinning frequency depends on what ester you are running. You want to keep blood levels stable as possible. Dbol and Test cycles are recommended to beginners as it is a cheap but effective cycle and if Testosterone Cypionate or Enanthate is used you can pin once a week or even twice a week to have a smoother "ride". And it is a relatively safe cycle but Anti Aromatase agent should be on hand in case gyno makes a show at your party...

Most injectable cycles are 8,10 or 12 weeks Bud. If you use only Acetate or Propionate esters then maybe 6weeks but I would rather stil go 8-10. On Enanthate or Cypionate 12 weeks minimum.

When do you know when to start taking Proviron or do you start taking it let's say in week 4?

As hy gereeld getoets word gaan test suspension of prop seker sy antwoord wees saam dbols ?

On long esters week 3-4. On short esters take it from the get go.

Ja Dbol of Turinabol. Maar vir iemand in sport sal ek meer Le na Turinabol/Anavar.
Hy is nog n beginner so ek weet nie op Suspension n goeie ding is nie jy moet weet hoe om met ondersteunende benodighede te Werk Dan iets wat die bars ouens nog nie sal begryp nie

Praetorius, just out of curiosity, what type of sport do you do? I see your goal is to bulk. Your type of sport can have a big influence on the ideal cycle you should take.

My off season will be about 5 months max. So I need to plan carefully

Let's just say athletics/Olympic, don't want to say really. My aim will me more on muscle strength and flexibility than overall weight.

Yes, but if you into something fitness related like Rugby/Crossfit and you want to bulk for that, there are other ways than say you want to bulk for something like Shot-put/Discuss. I am sure you don't want to sacrifice to much fitness even when bulking in your off season...

Did you have a look at the sample cycles in the Article section? There are some awesome cycle planned to the tee and for almost every goal.

My advice:

Establish your goal, then have a look at the sample cycles and choose one which suits your goals the most. After that some of the guys can help you modify the cycle to suite your exact needs.

If you are preparing for the Olympics, then you are fast running out of time as it is in August. Have a look at Oupa's Cross-Fit sample cycle, maybe you can get a better idea of what an athletes sample look like.

Goodluck

Thanks mate have checked it out, sample cycles look good, might do the testo cyp one but like you said time is limited, might have to just leave it untill next year or when I will have sufficient time and stay just on clen for now..

Bud, you should seriously consider coming out of your off-season as the SA Championships for Athletics are this weekend in Stellenbosch and all the Olympic contenders are approaching peak form by June...