Is PGW Supertest a good test only cycle?

Hi all,

For those that read my last log I'm a fan of test only cycles. Oupa helped me design a test prop and cyp cycle, using prop as a frontload and bridge.

I'm planning my test cycle for next year and would like to know if instead of using prop and cyp I can just use Supertest 320 all the way through.

Do I understand correctly that PGW Supertest is dosed at 320mg / ml. This would mean for 800mg a week I would pin 1.25ml every Monday and Thursday.

So the cycle would simply be:

Week 1 - 15: Supertest @ 800mg p/week (1.25ml Mon and thurs)
Week 4 - 19: HCG @ 500iu p/week
Week 16 - 19: Tbol
Week 20 - 24: PCT 2

Thanks.

Iron Kobra





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Yes that is how it doses and that is reasonable, 640 p/w should be more then enough.
If I use:
Cyp its 750pw
En its 600 pw
Supertest 640pw

I usually add deca and mast to that but nothing wrong with test only.

Remind me of your weight IK?

Keeping your cycles simple, nothing wrong...

I'm 92kg at 1.74m tall.

OK, if you suggest sticking with 640pw I'll start at there and increase if I feel it necessary.

How's the pip with Supertest?

Thanks fillet.

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IronKobra767 wrote: I'm 92kg at 1.74m tall.

OK, if you suggest sticking with 640pw I'll start at there and increase if I feel it necessary.

How's the pip with Supertest?

Thanks fillet.

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Ya that extra 160mg won't show much buddy, I got 100kg guys who run 640 pw only.
PIP is hardly worth talking about, won't bother you much.
I am currently pinning 640 supertest/ 700 deca and heading back on the mast the PIP is minimal on all three so...

The pip from Super Test does affect some more than others, but you'll find that out once you start to use it.


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Admin is right! I used once, I was almost in tears after every shot...lol but think after a few weeks I was taking brufin day after shot and it helped. It was a good experience, lol, so do it and see how it goes for you.

The biggest thing is to give that tissue time to heal before you blast another shot in it.

00pump wrote: The biggest thing is to give that tissue time to heal before you blast another shot in it.

So pump do you recommend rotating between at least 4 sites when pinning Supertest?

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IronKobra767 wrote:

00pump wrote: The biggest thing is to give that tissue time to heal before you blast another shot in it.

So pump do you recommend rotating between at least 4 sites when pinning Supertest?

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Something like that, ass / ass / shoulder/ shoulder / back to ass...

00pump wrote:

IronKobra767 wrote:

00pump wrote: The biggest thing is to give that tissue time to heal before you blast another shot in it.

So pump do you recommend rotating between at least 4 sites when pinning Supertest?

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Something like that, ass / ass / shoulder/ shoulder / back to ass...

Hmm. I've never pinned shoulders because I read somewhere that the bioavailability of the test is reduced as compared to glutes. Any truth to this?

I was thinking glute, opposite ventroglute, glute, opposite ventroglute. Or does have the sites so close to each other (glute and hip) defeat part of the point of rotation?

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I think you gonna have to try and see what works for you...I have never pinned shoulders...and to be honest...wouldnt attempt it ever with supertest...oh yes, I forgot to mention earlier, I added 1 ml of deca to the supertest when pinning and then the pain was not sooo bad.(guess it diluted the supertest a little)

IronKobra767 wrote: I've never pinned shoulders because I read somewhere that the bioavailability of the test is reduced as compared to glutes. Any truth to this?

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Yes it is true.

FIllet wrote:

IronKobra767 wrote: I'm 92kg at 1.74m tall.

OK, if you suggest sticking with 640pw I'll start at there and increase if I feel it necessary.

How's the pip with Supertest?

Thanks fillet.

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Ya that extra 160mg won't show much buddy, I got 100kg guys who run 640 pw only.
PIP is hardly worth talking about, won't bother you much.
I am currently pinning 640 supertest/ 700 deca and heading back on the mast the PIP is minimal on all three so...

Fillet how much do you run masteron at per week? And do you use masteron prop or enanthate?

And I'm assuming PGW Deca 350? Given you running at 700pw?

I'm considering the same cycle. It looks like it could be power...

What does the schedule look like? If you don't mind sharing

IronK

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Bro, all PGW and all long esters.
I kill 600 mast per week, previously I would run test and tren or test and deca but I found my happy place.
Adding the mast changed my physique to complete new levels, deca makes you f#cking big and the mast brings on the ab blocks and vascularity. I won't cycle without mast now, as for cycle duration I won't mention but I know the consequences... All ancillaries in place, sometimes mid cycle I throw in some anaps or dbol if I get very strong as its helps on the elbows, wrists etc. Not long, 25 days odd. You a bit lighter so I don't think that much mast is needed.

Hi all, just an update for those that might be curious. Specifically about feedback on Supertest. I decided to once again keep it simple, so only running Supertest and MK677. Will look into using Mast possibly in 2018.

PGW Supertest is great. No injection pain, no pip.

I've moved from 92kg to 96kg. Finally broken through the 95KG plateau I was on! Body fat % looks about the same based on mirror judgement but I'll do a caliper test soon because to be honest I feel like I've lost some fat mass.

Although I haven't run any complex cycles, I'm starting to form the opinion that one does not really need more than Test and Growth Hormone if your training is in check and diet dialled in and consistent.

Strength is highest it's ever been at the moment, constantly hitting PRs and one of the strongest okes at my gym (might not be saying a lot given I have to train at VA. Haha).

Feeling healthy, zero side effects, strong as fuck, stretching out my shirts and have had to replace pants more often than my budget agrees with. Haha... point is... for all those newbies that think you need to come up with the perfect cocktail of drugs to reach your goals... I call bullshit. Put your attention on eating, training and resting properly. A bit of Testosterone and MK677 (or actual growth if MK is anything to judge it by) will get you where you want to be. In my opinion. I started my AAS journey +-2 years ago and through consistency in diet and training, with the help of basic cycles I've moved from 77KG body weight to 96kg. Squat increased from 80kg to current 190kg. Deads from around 90kg to current 220kg. Bench from 80 to current 180kg. Those are all for reps, not 1RM.Not pissing here lads, just demonstrating that progress on simple cycles is possible.

IK


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Great job IK

Exemplary progress IronKobra! Solid, and your lifts are fuck-off impressive, and I guess what makes them even better is at 1.74m your strength display must look totally out of proportion! FUUAR!

Is it too soon to ask if the MK is giving sides? You seem to respond well (little negative effects) to exogenous chemicals.

Keep up the good work. Will follow your journey.

Crazy improvement! Well done. 80kg bench to 180kg for reps in 2 years is brilliant. Especially at 95Kg.

IronKobra767 wrote: Feeling healthy, zero side effects, strong as fuck, stretching out my shirts and have had to replace pants more often than my budget agrees with. Haha... point is... for all those newbies that think you need to come up with the perfect cocktail of drugs to reach your goals... I call bullshit. Put your attention on eating, training and resting properly. A bit of Testosterone and MK677 (or actual growth if MK is anything to judge it by) will get you where you want to be. In my opinion. I started my AAS journey +-2 years ago and through consistency in diet and training, with the help of basic cycles I've moved from 77KG body weight to 96kg. Squat increased from 80kg to current 190kg. Deads from around 90kg to current 220kg. Bench from 80 to current 180kg. Those are all for reps, not 1RM.Not pissing here lads, just demonstrating that progress on simple cycles is possible.

Yessss, this is what I like to read. GJ man!

Great job IK +1 keep up the good hard honest work.

I agree that all you need is Testosterone and MK677 or HGH if you can afford it but to me MK677 is a great value for money product that works with your body. And like you said solid diet and training

I use Supertest for cycle and TRT and have pinned glutes, shoulders and quads (once and couldn't walk for a week). 9/10 shots don't have any PIP but with the 1/10 the PIP is horrible- I think the difference is speed of shot - only thing I can think of. If I do it slowly I have no issues.

In terms of bio availability, I think that's garbage. Apart from the logic factor, I switched from glutes to shoulders for convenience sake and blood tests at the same does 6 weeks apart showed identical total test and free test - clearly you can only do the reference test once the test blood levels are stable - given that there are long esters in Supertest.

Furk wrote:
Is it too soon to ask if the MK is giving sides? You seem to respond well (little negative effects) to exogenous chemicals..

I've experienced no identifiable negative sides. Hilding water and increased appetite are positives in my books.

Yeah, the only real negative I've experienced on cycle is a bit of impotence when running test cyp for a long period. Man that was frustrating. Huge sex drive, soggy noodle. Haha. With propionate in the mix though, even at a low dose, I have no issues.

Thanks for the kind words gents. I won't lie, the big lifts are hurting my joints and all my attention at the moment is going into correct form because at these weights the risk of injury is high. Suffering from lower back pain and elbow issues, but I'm learning more every day from a powerlifting perspective. I want to be in it for the long haul, so trying to research as much as possible. Just wish there was a damn powerlifting club in Cape Town!

IK

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I'm CT too. Next time I see a guy around 95kg at a Virgin Active on his Samsung S7 in between 180KG bench sets I'll come and say howzit.

so next I'm in Virgin active and i see a muscle bound guy greeting a guy around 95kg on his Samsung s7 in between his 180kg bench sets I'll say hi too? LOL

Next time I see someone with an s7 and 180 bench I'll wonder what's more explosive, their strengths or the phone