First Cycle for Winter 2008

I everyone ,

Think of buying my next cycle..

Stats:

26
84kg
Bf??
1.86 tall


Next I want to go for is Equipoise and Winnies??

(equi 250mg ; winnies (wat eva strength it comes in ))

What can I expect from this cycle?

Has anyone taken it before???


shot alot

Equi and winny is a good stack. Winny comes in 50mg/ml injectable. I have used this stack myself and results are nice and lean. Think about adding some var in there as well. The equi will give you a huge appetite, so best your diet be clean to get lean gains.

AcidKid, I remember that you ran an Equi-only cycle awhile back, what results did you get from that?

Do you have any specific reason for not adding Test to that cycle?

Yeah I chose to run it by iteself .

Alot people said run it by itself others said with Winny or test.

I am going to find out both way..

So the next will be Winny and Equi

I choose not to take and Test as the side effect commonly known as a "temper" is already bad enough natrually...

Reason I dont take Test , or more like prefer to avoid it , is I had bad expereince with my temper last time.
My temper is bad enough natrually already... (last Test cycle 500mg Sus)..

Acidkid how long were you planning to run this cycle? as I see the following problem arising from using only these 2 products together. Equipoise should be run for a min. of 10 Wks to get the best results out of the drug (personally I think it only really kicks in at about 8-9Wks and should be run for 12 weeks plus)Now Winny on the other hand should be run only for 4weeks(ideally)maybe 5 or 6 at a push,but after 4 weeks liver toxicity becomes a problem.So you see the difference here between the length of use of each of these products(not that its a problem )My advice would be to front-load the Equi (double dose shots for first 2 weeks)to raise blood plasma levels quickly also start the Winny 2 weeks after the Equi starts and like Netro said after the 4 weeks of Winny move on to Anavar for a futher 4 weeks and that would give you some good lean gains(if you cant get anavar and considering you cant take Test, Proviron would also be a great choice to add to this stack -not only will it act as a mild anti estrogen but also you add an androgen to a great stack)One more thing, you say you want to use 250mg Equi per week, well I think that should be the bare minimum and I would suggest 350-400mg per week for better results out of Equi(this is one product I will recommend at higher doses -I think for men anything under 250mg/week is a waste of money and time especially when running it as a base)

I am planning on running for 10 weeks. ( I would rather do 12, but money is in hard savings)

Seen my budget is limited... I will make it a 8 week cycle??? (yes or no?)
Cause I will double dose for the two weeks as you said?. Then use the Winstol for 4 weeks - then the anavar for 4 weeks?

Personally I don't like sound of only a 8 week cycle... 12 weeks sound better .
(would starting out on half doses and increasing over 12 weeks be advisable?)

How to stretch out 10ml?

I think my best bet will be to get the PGW 350mg? And carry on normally with the rest of the gear...

I see your dilema , if you are going to use the PGW Equi(highly recommended ) then you should be fine,

Week

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Equipoise

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Winstrol

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Anavar
1

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700mg
2

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350mg
3

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350mg
4

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350mg
5

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350mg

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50mg/day
6

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350mg

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50mg/day
7

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350mg

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50mg/day
8

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350mg

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50mg/day
9

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350mg

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20-40mg/day
10

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20-40mg/day
11

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20-40mg/day
12

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20-40mg/day
13

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PCT

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KESSAR----20MG/DAY
14

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PCT

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KESSAR----20MG/DAY
15

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PCT

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KESSAR----20MG/DAY
16

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PCT

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KESSAR----20MG/DAY

doing it this way the day after you finnish the Anavar you can start PCT straight away(20mg Kessar for 4 weeks will be fine )and you will still be doing a 12 weeker I think a cycle like this will optimise what products you have here and you should make some decent lean gains of which a large percentage you keep with PCT starting almost immediately.I have used this cycle a few times(only with proviron in place of anavar)
and it is effective and I had no sides .I hope this helps you and if you decide to go with it I would be very keen to hear what your results were.

Yeah I think I will def go for this .

Seems the best option. I basically had the same cycle in mind.. I think I will go for the PWG Equi again.

Last time I used it I loved it..

Only thing I need to it buy the gear.

Will make a new thread once I got everything at hand and decide to start...

I will try get few more bucks together and get more Equi..

Thx Conan , you the man (I did not plan for that to rhym)

@ Acidkid, where you the dude on Muscle SA doing the equi only cycle and gained 3kg's?

Yes thats pretty much me!!

Its was +- 3kg... My weights keep going up and down .

Need to stop drinking beer..

(I remember saying I would do both : Equi alone then with something ... This would be the follow up)

Acidkid,

I agree with Conan views on Eq. See winny and anavar is very fast acting whilst eq is combined with a long ester... Also 250mg of eq is low brother... Now if you told me you gonna do 250mg of eq lets say twice per week that would've been fine....

In my personal opinion, since money is restricted... I would rather go for a winny and anavar cycle... That way you can do a shorter cycle which means less cortisol buil-up, more muscle retention ect... Thats my opinion brother...

Kraz

Admin, is it possible to extract these cycles Conan pops in every now and then and save them on the example cycles?
acidkidsa, that Winny injectable is gonna hurt some in the beginning.... and with ED dosing you're going to have to find inj sites.

I'm not even a BB and do a crap load just cardio work on a low Calorie diet and I gained more than 5kg with 250ml EQ once per week stacked with 200ml Test Cyl once p/w on a 10week cycle.

Maybe your gear was bad?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Admin, is it possible to extract these cycles Conan pops in every now and then and save them on the example cycles?
acidkidsa, that Winny injectable is gonna hurt some in the beginning.... and with ED dosing you're going to have to find inj sites.

Yeah, Conan actually emailed me some very nice cycles for the sample cycle section. I just have to convert them into HTML tables...

I think I will have to get the PGW Equi.

Just waiting for a price .

My supplier only has Equi 200 (750 buckaroos)
So PGW seems the best way to go.


I think if I am going to do the Equi I will just have to buy more
and start a bit later with my cycle.

I have never taken Winny before..

I can imagin its gunna hurt.. But its fine !

@ Acidkid,
2 comments
1.) Your supplier is doing you in by R100 on that Equi 200 and it's Nomad brand and that's the usual retail. See my point I made in another thread!
2.) Xylotox for the winny shot, add .5 ml to your syringe when you inject, sorts the burn out

Yeah I asked why its the same price as the 250mg he had last year...

Thanks for the heads up..

You said to "Xylotox" as 5 ml.. 5ml more of Winny ??

Your compound doses do not change and the xylotox is 0.5 ml (1/2 ml)

DragonFly wrote:

I'm not even a BB and do a crap load just cardio work on a low Calorie diet and I gained more than 5kg with 250ml EQ once per week stacked with 200ml Test Cyl once p/w on a 10week cycle.

Maybe your gear was bad?

Dragonfly we're talking about an Equi ONLY cycle ,no Test

Oh sorry....

Sorry I thought you were talking to someone named xylotox..

No, Xylotox is the compound you can add to injectables that are know to hurt / burn when being injected. The same stuff the dentists use when you get an injection there, active ingredient lignocaine (now know as lidocaine). I will take pics and ask admin to post it in the gallery for all to see.

Ok so I am picking all my stuff up this evening.

Anavar
Winny
PGW Equi 350

The mate I buy my stuff from offered me some Arimidex instead of
Kessar.. I think he said it 450-500 bucks.


I have no expereince with this stuff..

Is it better than Kessar??

There's nothing in your cycle that will aromatise - why then include an Aromatise Inhibitor?
The Kessar is for PCT and the proper choice - stick to it.

acidkidsa wrote:

....The mate I buy my stuff from offered me some Arimidex instead of
Kessar.. I think he said it 450-500 bucks.

For how many tabs are that price?