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Enanthate or cyp?
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Im looking at a basic bulker, a bit of test and some deca, fronted with dbol.
So the deca im happy with 350mg per week.
The dbol 40mg per day (week 1-4)
The test is where my dilemma lies..... Either cyp or enanthate? What are the mg/ml of the PGW cyp and enanthate?
My prevoius cycles have been Organon Sus (@ 500mg per week) and deca (@300mg per week).
Then Supertest (640mg per week) and equi (350mg per week).
Then my pre-contest of Test prop (150mg EOD) and Winstrol tabs.
So im looking to push the test a bit higher (i've been lucky enough to never get test sides other than acne).
So which is it? Enth or cyp? Having only mainly used combo tests how will the single esters differ?
And also, the question of proviron... Having read much about the positives of proviron in reducing aromatisation and freeing up test on cycle i'd love to add it to my cycle. Now obviously the costs can get prohibitive, so a single tab (25mg) a day would be it. Would this show those benefits and from how early should it be run?
Thanks a million guys, all input appreciated
Oh right my stats are currently round 77kg, 1.79, +-8%bf.
Goal is to get as close to 85kg as possible, and hard by the end (maybe some winnie in the window period, tho i find that my body responds well to test and hardens up bigtime.)
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I would personally go for the enanthate I found the cyp puts on a bit more water than the enanthate and other guys I have spoken to find the same. However they are both as effective as one another. Test is test at the end of the day the only diffrence with a single ester is that it releases into your body a bit slower. Other than that at the end of the day it is the same shit! I used to be a fan of sus myself but after reading alot on all the diffrent types of tests I learned that sus is a bit over rated and in my opinion not really worth the extra bucks. I find I get the same results at the end of the day with a single ester as I would with sus. I am currently using proviron @ 25mg a day for last 2 weeks now and to be honest with you have not found much of a diffrence. I have done a bit of research on it and most of the websites I have visited say the recomended dose to take to get results is 50mg ED so I will be pushing up my dosage and will see what happens. Proviron is dam expensive if you buy it from the pharmacy. I have recently seen schering in pakistan also make proviron and it is like half the price of the one made here in SA try speak to your source to see if they can get you this as this is not sold over the counter in SA. I am going to be buying that from now on
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I like your cycle here Spike, will be following this thread closely, as i am probably looking to do the same cycle in the future.... Once i have finished Keto.
Give it a shot, you're only TESTing it...
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Pgw enan 300mg/ml
Pgw cyp 250mg/ml
As for which i think it comes down to personal choice. Test e seems to give a little bit less water, but as we all know water weight gain can also be diet depended.
If ur looking to save cash cyp would be a good route and with the extra cash saved u can get more proviron maybe.
Proviron at 50mg ed would be nice, but i dont think u have to do that the whole cycle. Maybe add it the last six weeks with a low dose winny.
How long u wanna run the test?
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I also didn't know what to expect of Proviron, but my gains stopped, I started using Proviron and one week later I'm up 1.5kg. So I think it works. Running it 40mg/day at the moment. I think just use it in the back end of the cycle 40-100mg/day.
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The price diff isnt that great, it'll work out to be about the value of a box of proviron. So havent settled on cycle length yet... 3 bottles of test will give me 10 weeks, same as a bottle of deca, then can add one more bottle of test giving me an extra 3 weeks. Then 2 weeks of win before pct...
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Test (enth 900 or cyp 750)- week 1-13
Deca 350mg - week 1-10
Winstrol tabs - week 13?-15
Proviron tabs - week 9?-15
Then PCT from week 15
What you guys think?
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provrion 40mg daily week 1-16
winstrol 50mg daily week 10-16
pct week 17 onwards
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Just run proviron for last 4-5 weeks.
Bulk is bulk, water and all.
Clean diet will prevent allot of water as well.
I would just keep it simple and straight forward.
Test
Deca
D-Bol
Proviron at the back.
Concentrate more on diet and training to get the most out of the cycle rather than adding all sorts of juice.
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So it'll look like this...
Test (enth 900 or cyp 750)- week 1-13
Deca 350mg - week 1-10
Winstrol tabs - week 13?-15
Proviron tabs - week 9?-15
Then PCT from week 15
What you guys think?
Why the diff in test doses if you use diff esters?
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Dont like doing part mils and stuff, land up confusing myself
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3 a week and you won't have anything left over.
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I would not do the test e route again as its a waste of money if u could just get the cyp.
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On 750, I would go cyp, but 900 would lean me towards the enanthate.
Inject more frequently if you have an issue with water, but your Deca would have to follow the same pattern in injection protocol.
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