TRT Bloodwork My Journey

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07 Jun 2020 15:38 - 07 Jun 2020 15:41 #222511 by tylerx
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I have shared my blood work over my TRT journey above. Please let me know if it is not clear.

I am 37
Weight: 100 kg
B.F: 18 %


1. 10 May 2019

I sought a doctor to aid me with notable fatigue, mental fog, lack of morning wood, low libido, waning erection quality, my general inability to lose some of the excess weight despite. All the symptoms were always present but have become unbearable in my 30's. Bloodwork was gathered on the 9th May 2019.

Treatment: 200mg test cypionate every 4 weeks.
Results: Had days when I felt better, my lift in the gym and general fitness were the same. The were days when I crashed and felt far worse than when I first approached this doctor.


2. 6 Aug-19

The doctor seemingly ran out of his supply of Test Cypionate and had no option and said my level would bounce back. I spoke to him about how I was feeling but it seemed he had his own idea and seemingly did not know much about TRT. The only good thing he did for me was my iron infusion which I had to really motivate him but he seemed to be less concerned about my test levels and how I was feeling. It was time to move on.

Treatment: 200mg test cypionate every 4 weeks.
Result: I was not making any improvements with the very symptoms that brought me to his practice.

3. 16 Oct-19

I approach a hematologist regarding my anemia and my low test state. She was very thorough and recommended an iron-rich diet, vitamin B12, iron supplements. She recommended me to see a TRT specialist as she picked up obvious issues with my hormones. She recommended one Endocrinologist in the Midrand area and let me tell you that was a waste of R 3200 for a first consultation, that fella knew nothing about what he was talking about and seemed more keen on milking $ rather than delivering a proper service.

4. 14-Nov-19

Finally got to a doctor who knew a whole lot more than the characters I had come across. A further rest was recommended 14 Nov-19 prior to starting on his protocol. I got my results and on the 17th Nov-2019 started my TRT regime. He did make mention of a high (E2) my reading was 114.

Treatment:
1. 200mg Test Cypronaite per week
2. 250 I.U per week (HD Lab)
3. Zinc 50mg Selenium 100 ug 3.33 Copper Sulphate 1 table x twice per day
4. Q10-200mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
5. DHEA 12,5mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
6.Chela-fer 15mg ( Iron); one tablet , Twice a day.

Results:
1. Morning Wood returned more frequently than once before.
2. Erection Quality: Varied better than before TRT. Cialis was always my backup.
3. Libido: Improved. Less than what was expected.
4. Mental Clarity: Improved remarkable
5. Well-Being: Remarkable improvement.
6. Motivation: High



4. 3-Mar-2020

Still with the doctor. The blood work 3 March -2020 showed remarkably elevated levels of (e2):244 as well we testosterone( free and total) as detailed in the table above. I was enjoying good energy at work, in the gym, my body fat profile had shifted towards 18% from my initial 22.3%. The general sense of well being was much higher than expected. I was able to focus, charge towards solving challenges within being flustered. my libido still varied from time to time perhaps influenced also by my quality of sleep and stress.

I definitely did see improvement in libido but both erection quality and libido have not been that consistent. One notable change has been an increased level of gland sensitivity which is an improvement as I have struggled since my teen years with this, but on the upside, it has helped with endurance especially in my younger years.


Treatment:
1. 200mg Test Cypronaite per week
2. 250 I.U per week same day with my Test shot (HD Lab)
3. Zinc 50mg Selenium 100 ug 3.33 Copper Sulphate 1 table x twice per day
4. Q10-200mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
5. DHEA dropped it out.
6. Arimidex 0.5 mg every three days.
7. Chela-fer 15mg ( Iron) ; one tablet twice a day

I have not Gyno issues but my E2 was 244 pmol/L which based on the ' normal' range 40-161 pmol/L

Results:
1. Morning Wood returned more frequently than once before.
2. Erection Quality: Varied but better than before. Cialis was always my backup over the years.

L-citrulline works wonders for me when I do take it and one dose almost give me great
Erection Quality for three days straight even if I am not taking any Cialis or
anything of the like.

I would definitely like to improve this.

3. Libido: Improved. Less than what was expected. Would definitely like to improve this.
4. Chest Hair Thicker,
5. Endurance: Bullett Proof. Increase significantly.
6. Sleep Quality: High. Easier to fall asleep and sleep deeper than normal.
7. Focus: High.
8. Motivation: High. Some times the morning after my test shot it is notable. All I want to do is get things done.

I am grateful for this forum and the many experiences that have been shared in your respective journeys. I am still learning but I can tell you TRT has given me hope. I have known for quite some time that things were off and having issues with anemia really pushed me to solve many of my other issues including low testosterone issues which I have been struggling for more than 15 years but I have more to learn. TRT has had an incredible impact on my life, I may be built like a small tank but I have not felt that great for years. TRT, and learning more about my body has really lit a bright light in my life.

Brothers, please review the table shared and some of that which I shared regarding my journey. Perhaps there are some gaps you may see in my protocol through the experiences you have gathered, would love to share in your thoughts. I am still learning but I have no regrets and am prepared for the long journey paired to TRT. It has changed my life in many ways, I feel so much better. There are still some issues to be solved but progress is being made.
Last edit: 07 Jun 2020 15:41 by tylerx. Reason: Added info previously omitted

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07 Jun 2020 21:53 #222512 by Empire
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What I can say from my understanding is that e2 is elevated due to testosterone levels being elevated quite alot higher than normal, the hcg will also push up your e2. For my, I would try and get your test levels down, to 130 to 140mg per week, more frequent injections, e.g. every 3.5days, and hopefully you won't need the arimadex.
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08 Jun 2020 09:31 #222515 by tylerx
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tylerx wrote: https://ibb.co/1XxCY1n


Finally got to a doctor who knew a whole lot more than the characters I had come across. A further rest was recommended 14 Nov-19 prior to starting on his protocol. I got my results and on the 17th Nov-2019 started my TRT regime. He did make mention of a high (E2) my reading was 114.

Treatment:
1. 200mg Test Cypronaite per week
2. 250 I.U per week (HD Lab)
3. Zinc 50mg Selenium 100 ug 3.33 Copper Sulphate 1 table x twice per day
4. Q10-200mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
5. DHEA 12,5mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
6.Chela-fer 15mg ( Iron); one tablet , Twice a day.

Results:
1. Morning Wood returned more frequently than once before.
2. Erection Quality: Varied better than before TRT. Cialis was always my backup.
3. Libido: Improved. Less than what was expected.
4. Mental Clarity: Improved remarkable
5. Well-Being: Remarkable improvement.
6. Motivation: High



4. 3-Mar-2020

Still with the doctor. The blood work 3 March -2020 showed remarkably elevated levels of (e2):244 as well we testosterone( free and total) as detailed in the table above. I was enjoying good energy at work, in the gym, my body fat profile had shifted towards 18% from my initial 22.3%. The general sense of well being was much higher than expected. I was able to focus, charge towards solving challenges within being flustered. my libido still varied from time to time perhaps influenced also by my quality of sleep and stress.

I definitely did see improvement in libido but both erection quality and libido have not been that consistent. One notable change has been an increased level of gland sensitivity which is an improvement as I have struggled since my teen years with this, but on the upside, it has helped with endurance especially in my younger years.


Treatment:
1. 200mg Test Cypronaite per week
2. 250 I.U per week same day with my Test shot (HD Lab)
3. Zinc 50mg Selenium 100 ug 3.33 Copper Sulphate 1 table x twice per day
4. Q10-200mg once per day 1 tab x once per day
5. DHEA dropped it out.
6. Arimidex 0.5 mg every three days.
7. Chela-fer 15mg ( Iron) ; one tablet twice a day

I have no Gyno issues but my E2 was 244 pmol/L which based on the ' normal' range 40-161 pmol/L


Sorry All, just seen my typo, it is 250mg of Test Cypronaite.

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08 Jun 2020 09:33 - 08 Jun 2020 09:34 #222516 by tylerx
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Empire wrote: What I can say from my understanding is that e2 is elevated due to testosterone levels being elevated quite alot higher than normal, the hcg will also push up your e2. For my, I would try and get your test levels down, to 130 to 140mg per week, more frequent injections, e.g. every 3.5days, and hopefully you won't need the Arimidex.


Thank you Empire, that is some solid advice. Dosing schedule and dosage will change and I will report back on observations over the next coming weeks.
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08 Jun 2020 10:05 #222517 by Empire
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At 200mg a week, you are on a boarder line small cycle, if you look at how many docs have been prescribing TRT is it s 100mg Every 5days, so that's roughly a top end of 20mg daily, I personally feel I can get away with 100mg every 7 days so it's about 14mg daily. You are at 28mg daily, which is going to push your levels up and give you higher e2 numbers

From what I have been doing and what I have conversed with a few doctors and coaches is this: TRT is taking the least amount of testosterone with the most amount of benefit without having to take to many other compounds with it. So if you are taking in too much testosterone that your e2 is sky high, then reduce the amount of testosterone. Taking Arimidex takes care of the consequences not the cause. SO what is the cause? extreme elevations of super compensated exogenous testosterone.

Remember taking drugs to sort out the consequences has its own set of issues. Arimidex is no stranger to side effects especially cholesterol and joint issues.

So what I am getting at is if you are constantly kicking a wall and need to take pain killers, stop kicking the wall and you won't need pain killers.

Also taking your TRT SubQ has been known to present higher testosterone levels, by about 20%. so taking 100mg sub q has been shown to be as effective at 120mg IM. SO you will be able to get away with less testosterone too, and because you can better control the dosing protocol, more stable levels of testosterone and less estrogenic side effects. so as it stands you would want to pull your TRT dosing down about 30% from 200mg to 140mg, but because you will be injecting Sub Q you will need to take in 112mg per week to get the results of 140mg. so you would split it to 55-60mg Monday morning, and Thursday night.

hope this helps.
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09 Jun 2020 07:32 #222529 by tylerx
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Thank you, Empire. Your guidance makes perfects sense and is helpful. Loved the "kicking a wall" analogy.

Thank you for giving your account of TRT SubQ, I started with those in March but of course, I had read some schools against and those for SubQ shots. However, I never knew that taking SubQ presented higher testosterone levels. Wow... you are right with 200mg...Oops.

Out of interest, would I then also split my HCG dosage into 125 IU twice a week ( total 250 IU) on the days that I do my Sub-Q Test shot? I am still planning on having kids.

Am I correct that my (e2) 244 pg/ml is near enough ten times what it should be?

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09 Jun 2020 07:52 #222530 by Empire
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you can split your HCG if you like, I wouldn't say 10x what they should be, any e2 level lower than 40 or 50 is going to suck balls, so joints get sore, libido crashes, depression etc, so at most I would say that your e2 levels need to be between 50 and 80 to be safe.

Remember estrogen is not the devil, everyone thinks it needs to be killed dead! it has bad effects when killed dead.
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10 Jun 2020 15:32 #222541 by tylerx
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Thank you for all your input Empire.

It is these instances and others that for the most part practitioners are far greater sources of guidance than our typical GP's. Thank you for sharing all your insights in this post and in those of our fellow brothers. Salute and I will post updates in due course. Thank you.

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