Yohimbine General

Official Yohimbine Discussion Thread

Definition

Yohimbe, and its subset yohimbine, are fat-burning compounds, primarily used to lose fat during short term fasting.
Yohimbine is also an aphrodisiac and can aid erectile dysfunction. It is also a general stimulant.
Yohimbine works by increasing adrenaline levels in the body, as well as inhibiting a regulatory process in fat cells, which normally suppresses fat burning.
The effects of yohimbine are partially negated by food intake, which is why it is often taken in a fasted state.
- Kurtis Frank

So it's good for fat loss, blood circulation and a nootropic (although due to side effects there are better options ).

Good reads to get clued up
Site Article
Nootriment Article


Who will benefit the most out of Yohimbine?
1. Women. Get some of this stuff and be sexy already.
2. Men with female fat storage patterns.
3. Men who have bulked heavily while on AAS that aromatose heavily, which, because of the increase in oestrogen, will increase the number and sensitivity of A2-receptors.
4. Men who are very lean and trying to drop the last stubborn fat deposits- typically in thighs, lower back, and love handles.


Dosage
For weight-loss many sources state 0.2mg/1kg body weight. That's okay but due to side effects it seems there is a point where the rate of increase needs to lowered. 30mg for 150kg is probably still ok, but it's probably foolish to push further than that. Also, if you are using Yohimbine at +150kg, you probably don't understand when is the best opportunity to use this substance.
For erectile dysfunction and penis fun, take 5 to 10 mg as needed.


Interactions
Viagra: Enhanced
Ritalin: Enhanced
Sibutramine: Lots of adrenaline, probably not wise
Ephedrine: At rest less cardiac intense, moving is more cardiac intense
Alcohol: Why are you even drinking if you are cutting?
L-arginine: Enhances. Feels like ants are crawling on your eyeballs.
MAOIs: There is some correlation between yohimbine and MAO activity, I don't think it's advisable to take any fat-burner while on an anti-depressant.


Alternatives
Apparently Boldine , but I couldn't find too much info about it at time of writing.


Studies
Fat loss
Blood pressure gains
Penis gains
Get anxious
Ephedrine stacking


Disclaimer: This info is not exhaustive, if you think I'm trying to say this is the be-all end-all of Yohimbine info, you are retarded. Don't flame me.

Okay that's my contribution. Hope it expands on the site's article and some FAQ that surface often. Hopefully we can keep the Clenbuterol thread "Yohimbine free" now.

Hi Furk.

Let's take me as an example. @ 100kg the dose for me would be 20mg/day split into 10mg morning and 10mg 2-3hours before training?
I know Yohi on its own does noet yeald great results but for how long could one cycle it on its own? 8weeks 12 weeks?

Groete
Die Bul

Taken from Lyle McDonald:

Q: What is yohimbe/yohimbine?
Yohimbe/yohimbine is an alpha-2 antagonist, meaning it inhibits the effect of alpha-2 receptors. This has many effects in teh body including to help mobilize stubborn bodyfat; it also has a tendency to increase heart rate and blood pressure. Other side effects are also possible and individuals prone to anxiety attacks must not use yohimbine. Yohimbe can also cause water retention which can mask fat loss.

Q: What is the difference between yohimbe and yohimbine?
Yohimbe is a herbal form of the compound. Most yohimbe products are extracted from some type of bark and contain not only yohimbe but a number of related alkaloids. The alkaloids can cause a number of odd side effects including chills and sweating.
Yohimbine HCL is the pure pharmaceutical form of the compound. It has far fewer side effects and is what I recommend. The big drawback to yohimbine HCL is that it's only available in 2.5 mg capsules and you end up having to take a handful to get an effective dose.

Q: What's the effective dose of yohimbine?
0.2 mg/kg bodyweight taken with caffeine 30-60 minutes before fasted cardio. So a 70 kg (154 lb) individual would take 14 mg. Since the pills are only available in 2.5 mg doses, the individuals would take 6 of them, getting 15 mg total.

Q: Why do I have to use yohimbine/caffeine fasted?
The increase in insulin from eating anything will negate the effect of yohimbine completely and the negative studies on yohimbine invariably used it in people who had eaten.

Q: I bought a herbal form of yohimbe that says it contains 1200 mg which is 10X what you say I should be taking. What's going on?
Of that 1200 mg bark, only a small percentage is actually yohimbine. So if it were standardized to 0.2% yohimbe alkaloids, each pill would contain 1200 mg * 0.002 = 2.4 mg active ingredient.

Q: The product I bought doesn't say what it's standardized too, how do I know how much is in each pill?
You can't. Throw it out and get a better product.

Q: Can I take yohimbine with ephedrine?
While some have done this, usually lean individuals at the end of a diet, I do NOT recommend this. The potential for side effects is multiplied with the combination. Heart rate and blood pressure can do some ludicrious things. Don't do it.

Q: I bought a fat burner containing yohimbine and ephedrine, why are they doing this if it's dangerous?
Check the label, odd are it only contains a few mg of yohimbe/yohimbine, far below the effective dose. They threw it in to get it on the label but it's a useless dose.

Q: What if I want to use yohimbe in the morning before cadrio and EC later in the day, how long do I have to wait?
Wait at least 4 hours after the dose of Y/C before taking EC so that the yohimbine can clear the system.

Q: My bottle says that women shouldn't take yohimbe, why?
There is an old (wrong) idea that yohimbine raises testoterone. This is becasue yohimbine can cause erections (by incresaing blood flow to the penis) and it was assumed for years that anything that caused erections did so by raising testosterone. Yohimbine has no hormonal effects.

Q: You mentioned water retention above, how long do I need to stop taking yohimbine to drop the water?
At least 3 days, you'll pee your brains out and then it will have cleared. This is important for pre-contest bodybuilders/figure/fitness athletes who are using yohimbine. It should be dropped early enough to get rid of any water before the show.


Q: I want to lift weights and do cardio afterwards, can I take yohimbine?
Yohimbine can cause some really weird heart rate effects around high intensity activity. the best way to take it for a weight -> cardio workout is to take the yohimbine an hour before you'll be doing cardio. That is, if you have a 40 minute weight workout planned with cardio afterwards, take the yohimbine 20 minutes before the start of the weight workout. This will let the yohimbine exert it's maximum effect when you are starting the cardio and you won't feel like you're having a heart attack during the weight room workout.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Let's take me as an example. @ 100kg the dose for me would be 20mg/day split into 10mg morning and 10mg 2-3hours before training?

I wouldn't take Yohimbine other than in a guaranteed fasted state. Although I've read some do take it later in the day, I don't want to gamble my chemicals and fat-loss chances. If I weighed enough to justify a 20mg dose, I'll take it all at waking before cardio. Mind you I am a stim-junkie and don't get crazy sides on Yohimbine. Your call.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: I know Yohi on its own does noet yeald great results but for how long could one cycle it on its own? 8weeks 12 weeks?

If someone can back-up with science, as fast as I know it doesn't need to be cycled. The reason cycling Yohimbine became popular was due to it's nature to cause water retention. Some people do 5 days on, 2 off. Others pair it exactly with their Clen/Albuterol cycle. I think the second option is wiser.

Nice post Furk! well done Bru! +1

A big fan of Yohimbine myself!

Furk, may I ask you.. what's your opinion on a teen running Yohimbine to try lean out and cut body fat?

Do I think Yohimbine is safe for a teen? Yes.

Would I recommend it? No. First off, it's accepted that the young are more sensitive to the side effects.
Second, I would be reluctant to give any chemical to a teen, at that age proper diet and exercise affirmation is important. Call be paranoid, but using drugs to solve problems at a young age might imprint them to follow suit in the future, or even to use drugs as a crutch for poor discipline.

But Ron it sounds like you are talking about someone that is already athletic. Viz "lean out." If the teen in question is mature in mind and attitude, and understand that it is a temporary aid, yes.

Furk wrote: Do I think Yohimbine is safe for a teen? Yes.

Would I recommend it? No. First off, it's accepted that the young are more sensitive to the side effects.
Second, I would be reluctant to give any chemical to a teen, at that age proper diet and exercise affirmation is important. Call be paranoid, but using drugs to solve problems at a young age might imprint them to follow suit in the future, or even to use drugs as a crutch for poor discipline.

But Ron it sounds like you are talking about someone that is already athletic. Viz "lean out." If the teen in question is mature in mind and attitude, and understand that it is a temporary aid, yes.

Thanks for your opinion Furk. And I have respect for you, because of what you say above. I think I really just needed to hear what you said here! I think sometimes when you see great potential in someone, you just wanna see them sore and be great, too fast! :dry:

Haha! and what you are hearing is in fact correct Furk. do you know something I don't? LOL! :lol: :lol: This teen is very athletic, so mature about all this stuff, so eager to learn and has unbelievable potential. exactly how I wish I was as a teen. made myself a promise to give him the best guidance possible.. something a lot of us never had the chance of having.

RonTheSaveg wrote: Haha! and what you are hearing is in fact correct Furk. do you know something I don't? LOL! :lol: :lol: This teen is very athletic, so mature about all this stuff, so eager to learn and has unbelievable potential

Picked it up from your language mostly, but I sussed you out and I guessed you were trying to guide someone who is in the right direction aldready, and not get a rolly-polly with an eating disorder loose some tyres.

RonTheSaveg wrote: This teen is very athletic, so mature about all this stuff, so eager to learn and has unbelievable potential. exactly how I wish I was as a teen. made myself a promise to give him the best guidance possible.. something a lot of us never had the chance of having.

Ok Ron, some might bash me for this, but in terms of safeness vs. effectiveness, Albuterol/ Salbutemol (sold as Venteze in RSA) is a viable option. Yes, it is comparable to Clen, but let me put my case forward.
1) It's half life is 4 hours, so it is extremely easy to come off if problems arise.
2) Legal OTC in RSA.
3) Will assist with cardiovascular fitness, at that age we tend to play sports - I've gotten 1st hand anecdotes how this helped out with performance.
4) Can help with studies as it gives you the "get it f**ken done" attitude, so focus on school work/ studies.

One thing I can say against a youngster using this is that their family might sense "personality change", while it's just the stimulation driving them to the "G.I.F.D" attitude. So loved ones might try to intervene unneeded.

I am no expert on FFF, but perhaps that might be a possible/safe option?

All just my opinion. I am usually conservative with chemicals, but I feel you want to give this person the edge.

Furk wrote: Ok Ron, some might bash me for this, but in terms of safeness vs. effectiveness, Albuterol/ Salbutemol (sold as Venteze in RSA) is a viable option. Yes, it is comparable to Clen, but let me put my case forward.
1) It's half life is 4 hours, so it is extremely easy to come off if problems arise.
2) Legal OTC in RSA.
3) Will assist with cardiovascular fitness, at that age we tend to play sports - I've gotten 1st hand anecdotes how this helped out with performance.
4) Can help with studies as it gives you the "get it f**ken done" attitude, so focus on school work/ studies.

One thing I can say against a youngster using this is that their family might sense "personality change", while it's just the stimulation driving them to the "G.I.F.D" attitude. So loved ones might try to intervene unneeded.

I am no expert on FFF, but perhaps that might be a possible/safe option?

All just my opinion. I am usually conservative with chemicals, but I feel you want to give this person the edge.

Furk, bru! thank you so much for this info! i apologies for the late reply!

...and you are in fact 100% spot on regarding the person in question. i'm getting worried here bru! :lol: :lol:

I do in fact know of Venteze hey. a long time ago a friend of mine just bought them over the counter at a leading pharmacy in the south of JHB.I remember he got this massive bulk jar of like 500 tabs and it was as cheap as chips! LOL! i'm not sure you could still buy them over the counter now hey. I never really tried them myself and I can't really say way > cause i'm a huge stim / Supp junkie myself! :woohoo: :silly:

I'll look into this Furk. I really don't wanna jack this great thread of yours bru! so we will be in touch.

Thanks Again for your input and opinions around this Furk!

1. Yes Venteze is freely available OTC in ZA. It's schedule 2. Ask for 4mg tablets.

2. You're not jacking this thread, it should be used to discuss all facets of Yohimbine including alternatives.

3. You're welcome bra. We're all on the same team.

Hey Furk,

A friend of mine has heart issues in the family with her parents both having suffered heart attacks in the past. She is keen to lose weight but she already has an athletic build, just trying to get rid of two or three very stubborn kilos. Stimulants generally aren't advised for someone with heart issues but since she, herself, has never had any heart issues or attacks - do you think using something like Venteze would be good? I'm doing a ton of research on different things for her but would like to get a few other opinions! I'm not too educated in fatloss stims or supps since I've never been over 8% lol

Hormonas, I applaud you for a life so far below 8%, to be saluted.

I've found between the popular stims available to us, Clenbuterol, Yohimbine, Albuterol and Ephindrine, reaction varies greatly. For example, I generally tolerate stims well, stack Clen and Yoh max safe dose one tine, no issues. But I touch an ECA and my face and legs swell, I sweat profusely and it feels like my eyes are sweating (not crying, it's friggen bizarre).
On the flip I've heard plenty anecdotes of people tripping balls on 10mg Yohimbine alone but Ephindrine makes then feel more energetic and driven.

So I find it difficult to encourage folks to use a specific product.

I think Yohimbine alone is safe . I think Albuterol alone is safe. Both are well known and researched, easy to control, easy to dose, and easy to asses efficacy. I also think combining them is a good idea for increased effectiveness. For your specific case I would ask the follow:
1. How recently has a doctor checked her heart and were there any findings?
2. Is she cardiovascularly fit?
3. How does she react to milder stimulants, like caffeine or guarana extract?

Maybe that could guide her to decide? If I was in her shoes I'd totally do it though.

So Yohi on its own wil not be a waste? And optimal time to take it before fasted state cardio would be 60min prior to give it a chance to reach full effect in your body?

The website's article on this is very well written and covers a lot of ground. That's why I linked it above, because it teaches you the main aspects of this chemical.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: So Yohi on its own wil not be a waste?

No, but advised to stack with an beta-agonist.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: And optimal time to take it before fasted state cardio would be 60min prior to give it a chance to reach full effect in your body?

30min IMO is beter. That works in perfect conjuction with Cafeine.