Kickstart for Cutting Cycle

Hey guys.I'm new here .It's been a bad winter for me so far,had flu and viral infections for most of the time and didn't get to the gym very often due to the layoff.Luckaly I forced myself not to miss meals and I even increased my calories in order to prevent muscle loss.The good thing is I didn't really lose any muscle,lifts are actually up so the rest did me good.Only thing is I gained an extra bit of unwanted fat.I plan to start cutting in mid august and I want to kickstart it with a "bit of help" .I'm definitely planning on hitting clen and I'm actually interested in stacking something with it but not sure what?I would rather avoid Winny because of the dry joints and joint pains and anavar is a bit too expensive(for a proper cycle).I was thinking of hitting Primobolan with Clen,what do you guys think about that combo?Bit of size and extra fat loss .Or maybe substitute Primo with T-bol.Any suggestions are welcome and is it necessary to take ketofin with clen or can I take a normal antihistamine,just wondering about that.Also I'll be running Animal Pak during the cycle and for PCT something like clomid.Planning on a 4-5 week cycle

After reading your post I'm starting to wonder where you live. You say that its TOO expensive to run var for a proper cycle but want to run primo? Oral or inject will cost you 5 fold for a PROPER cycle and on top of that your dosage must be very high to be effective! And Tbol is almost the same price as var. So...

Thanks Megusta for being the first one to reply!Well that's why I'm here,to ask for advice,from what I heard a var cycle is much more van T-bol if I want an effective dosage of var and a trusted manufacturer,I was just curious about the Primo because it's a highly rated anabolic.So yeah what would you stack with Clen?

Well, my one good friend did a 4 week Tbol cycle to test it out. He didn't pay nearly as much as he would have for anavar! Isn't anavar also that expensive because of less side effects and so on? Tbol is great, not cheap but it won't be that expensice compared to anavar, and this I know from a few sources that is very trustworthy and good brands.

Welcome to the forum The Barbell Barbarian

Unfortunately I can't comment on var but I AM a tbol fan! Let me put it this way..I used to be the guy that used the 22.5kg dumbbells for 15 rep incline presses. Now I'm the guy that do 15 reps incline with a pair of 35kg dumbbells! I think that's impressive.I have however only hear good about anavar and even @ only 40mg oral only cycles. To be honest I won't do orals alone. I'm a believer that a proper cycle consists of a testo base and then stacks the rest. For a nice lean mass cycle I'd do testp prop, tbol and clen for 8 - 10 weeks and add proviron. The same can be done with var instead of tbol. If I don't inject I'd stack the var or tbol with proviron for that extra andro boost that both tbol and var lack a bit. As I said, I don't have experience in oral only cycles and I don't know the proper way to run orals alone. What is your body fat like at the moment and do you have any more stats to give us? I suggest you use ketitofen for the entire duration of your 6weeks clen cycle @ 3mg before bed. That's 3 tea spoons. I did my tbol for 6weeks @ 60mg a day. I had to walk very slowly to work though, cause my shins and calves wanted to explode after week 2 of tbol. Didn't get a lot of back pumps after I increased my taurine to 3g a day. Hope it helps and welcome to the community brotha!

Stats:
Weight 94kg
Height 186cm
BF ±16%

I'm planning on cycling in mid-august,just want to get back on track.I gave everything a second thought and that T-bol and proviron stack looks quite good.I'm thinking 5 weeks of that and then a cycle of clen to finish everything off in mid october-november.I just want to make up for the lost ground .I'm still considering maybe stacking Winstrol with clen,few of my mates did that last year,all of them got great results but some had hectic joints pains.My main goal is to just get rid of the fat from my bulking and have a ripped look,so that's maybe 5 or 6kg's that I have to lose.

Is there a mayor difference between ketofin and normal antihistamines?
Sorry if this is a dumb question and do your receptors return to normal after you're off clen?
Just wondering about that haha

Don't know if you read the other posts on the forum of an oral only cycle, it is not such a good idea gains will be lost. If you want a good fat burning cycle look at the anavar & Proviron cycle, if the var is too expensive look a cycle like this: will cost a bit more but in 12 weeks you will look good.

Wk 1-4 Tbol 40mg per day
Wk 1-10 Test Ethanate 300mg every 4th day test e is known for good fat loss effects

Also what worries me you did not plan your PCT first , all your gians will totally be lost if you dont do PCT.

As the guys will tell you on this forum plan your PCT before a cycle.

Thanks for the reply and cycle suggestion Mercon.
I should probably add this will be my first cycle and yes I understand the importance of a PCT.
Do you maybe have a suggestion for PCT?I'm still a bit uneducated in that department.
I'm thinking I'll need something for estrogen related side effects (if they are present) and something to get my test up and running again.So what do you suggest?

Sorry for the newbie questions but yeah rather safe than sorry

@ Barbell


Read this for PCT

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy


Read this for clen

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...ow-about-clenbuterol


Read this for Steroid Samples

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles


Read this for anti estrogen

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...files/anti-estrogens

Ok ek sal dit gan oplees,dankie vir di links Oupa!
Ja ek wil liewers seker maak van alles voor ek iets slat.
Ek wil net bylas dat as my kennis oor steroids shocking was dan sou ek nie hier nou rondgevra het nie en sommer maak soos wat elke beginner maak en die eerste ding waarvan hulle hoor gebruik,sonder die nodige voorsorgmaatreëls en dan wonder hulle hoekom het dit nie gewerk soos wat hulle verwag het nie.

So ja wou net dit sê en dankie dat jy reply het,ek kon sien van die ander threads dat jy die man is om mee te praat!

100%

Doen net bietjie moeite en lees / ondersoek self. Jy is welkom om te vrae te vra

TheBarbellBarbarian wrote: So ja wou net dit sê en dankie dat jy reply het,ek kon sien van die ander threads dat jy die man is om mee te praat!

Dankie vir die vertroue, hier is n hele paar manne wat hulle storie ken.

Lees rustig alles, en as jy klaar is sal ons jou cycle customize en optimize.

Dis reg,baie dankie Oupa!
Lekker aand verder.

Mercon wrote: Don't know if you read the other posts on the forum of an oral only cycle, it is not such a good idea gains will be lost. If you want a good fat burning cycle look at the anavar & Proviron cycle, if the var is too expensive look a cycle like this: will cost a bit more but in 12 weeks you will look good.

Wk 1-4 Tbol 40mg per day
Wk 1-10 Test Ethanate 300mg every 4th day test e is known for good fat loss effects

Also what worries me you did not plan your PCT first , all your gians will totally be lost if you dont do PCT.

As the guys will tell you on this forum plan your PCT before a cycle.

@Mercon: I agree with you that Test is good for fat loss and that such a cycle will help. But there are much more effective ways of losing fat without throwing away ones golden cycle so to speak. Especially for a beginner the best advice you can give him is to first get his diet and training spot on. He would have needed to this in any case if he were to go on cycle. In many cases just the diet and training alone will be enough to get the results he wanted. I would advise that if fat loss slows a bit after a while to take Clen and Yohimbine.

Afterwards a cycle like you suggested would work wonders!

@ Pyroclasm, i totally agree with you , one shouldn't even look at a cycle before training and diet is spot on. I listen carefully to you guys as all the cycles i have done so far was excellent.

Appreciate!

Wyse woorde daar Pyroclasm.

Ek dink ek sal maar vir nou meer gaan oplees oor clen sodat ek presies weet en dan vir hierdie jaar sal ek net die clen 'n go gee.Ek besef nou dat ek eers meer navorsing moet gaan doen oor die res van die steroïdes sodat ek dit optimaal kan benut .

Ook 'n mens kan altyd werk aan jou dieet en oefening soos jy gesê het,sodra die gains biki stadig kom dan sal ek oorweeg om proper cycles te doen en nie rond te neuk met die orals nie haha.

Dankie vir al die reply's het nogals baie vandag geleer!

Ek het n Clenbuterol sticky gemaak nie te lank terug nie ek is seker jy sal baie daar kan leer my chom.