New cycle advice...

Hey guys...

Would really appreciate your thoughts and any advice regarding my next cycle.

This will be my third cycle over the past two years. I'm really happy with the gains I have made in my previous two cycles. They haven't been huge increases, but by following the correct PCT and OCT, really clean and correct eating and hard training I have managed to hold onto at least 70% of my gains and have almost completely kept the 'strength gains' and gained even more strength during the OCT, which is mind blowing for me! With no sides at all!!

I'm currently on my OC for the next three months. I'm looking to start a cycle for 8 weeks from mid Oct.

My current stats are as follows:
Age: 38
H: 168
W: 74kg
BF: 8.5%

I'm keen to run the following cycle.. [my gaol being to bulk a little and cut a little at the same time] I'm aiming at gaining around 5-7kg and then keeping around 3- 4kg.. think that's achievable on this cycle?

Weeks - 1 - 4
Dianabol - 50mg ED

Weeks 1 - 8
80mg Tren Ace 80 PGW - EOD
100mg Masteron propPGW - EOD
100mg Prop 100 PGW - EOD

It seems like a very simple, none complicated cycle.. Do you guys think 8 weeks is long enough? Could I bump it to 10-12 weeks at the hope of getting a better end result? or is that just wasteful and too long?
and should or could I mix anything else to the cycle to 'spice it up' a little more or less?

Any suggestions will honestly be appreciated!!

I like the cycle a lot. The only change i'd make is to replace the d-bol with maybe T-bol or maybe Anavar.

vega5 wrote: I like the cycle a lot. The only change i'd make is to replace the d-bol with maybe T-bol or maybe Anavar.

Thanks bro!
Okay. My thinking around the D-Bol was to kick start the cycle and to add some mass that I may not get from the other substances that im gonna stack in this cycle.

I'm imagining you would exclude the D-Bol cause of the sides, right?
Do you think Anavar would give me the same result? I ran Anavar during my pervious cycle during the bridge to my PCT. the strength grains are freaking amazing.. But not much mass gains. And I thought it was the perfect product for the bridge and its really safe with no sides at all.

Bro what's T-Bol?

Excuse my ignorance but what is OCT?

Ah sorry bro! Not at all. It's 'off cycle' treatment.

vega5 wrote: I like the cycle a lot. The only change i'd make is to replace the d-bol with maybe T-bol or maybe Anavar.

And Test Prop @ 150mg eod instead of 100mg

MCJ wrote:

vega5 wrote: I like the cycle a lot. The only change i'd make is to replace the d-bol with maybe T-bol or maybe Anavar.

And Test Prop @ 150mg eod instead of 100mg

Thanks MCJ. Would you also rather use the Anavar or T-Bol bro?

40000003 wrote:

MCJ wrote:

vega5 wrote: I like the cycle a lot. The only change i'd make is to replace the d-bol with maybe T-bol or maybe Anavar.

And Test Prop @ 150mg eod instead of 100mg

Thanks MCJ. Would you also rather use the Anavar or T-Bol bro?

Yes. That's why I quoted Vega5. Depending on budget u can decide which to use. T-bol should be more cost effective. If u can afford a decent dosage of anavar then go for that

Thanks bro. Yeah bro, my budget can manage the Anavar. From my research and experience with this product, I rate it highly.
So what you say if I run the Anavar at 60mg ED for 3 weeks and then increase that to 80mg ED for another three weeks?

Do you recon I'd be pushing it if I made the cycle 10 weeks in total? Just don't wanna run it for too short a time if I can get added benefits from an extra two weeks. Or perhaps I'm just being greedy and want it to last longer.

40000003 wrote: Thanks bro. Yeah bro, my budget can manage the Anavar. From my research and experience with this product, I rate it highly.
So what you say if I run the Anavar at 60mg ED for 3 weeks and then increase that to 80mg ED for another three weeks?

Do you recon I'd be pushing it if I made the cycle 10 weeks in total? Just don't wanna run it for too short a time if I can get added benefits from an extra two weeks. Or perhaps I'm just being greedy and want it to last longer.

Hey Guy.. Please can I ask for more advice regarding this cycle?

So I have decided after more investigating and research I'm gonna stick to an 8 week cycle and not push it at 10 weeks.
Then I'm gonna run Anavar at 60mg for 3 weeks and 80mg for 3 weeks.
You guys approve or should I run it for the full 8 weeks and start out at 60mg and drop to 40mg for the remaining 4 weeks.. Please help me out here with your views and thoughts? I'd really appreciate it.

I'm also gonna add in T3 at 20mg ED for the full 8 weeks. Cause of the Tren Ace.

I'm just trying to plan all my shit and make sure it's all 100% correct and totally safe before I start mid oct. the rest of the cycle looks like this (in case you don't wanna go back on the thread)....

Weeks 1 - 8
80mg Tren Ace 80 PGW - EOD
100mg Masteron propPGW - EOD
150mg Prop 100 PGW - EOD

Should I add Ketotifen to this cycle or is it not necessary?
I'm not pron to any estrogen sides at all, but I have Arimidex on hand if needs be.

I'm gonna do PCT 3. I never skimp on the PCT. I'd pay more for my PCT then my gear if I needed to! I understand how important that is and it's always paid off.

Diet is at it's best it's ever been and it was always good before. Eating like a beast and gained 2.5kg in 3 weeks of good solid mass. Naturally. Strength is at an all time high and just completed my PCT two weeks back.

I'd really appreciate advice from you experienced dudes. I'm not lazy to research, just sometimes this stuff is hard and you dudes on this forum know your shit.

Thanks in advance guys! Will truly appreciate any help you can give here!

I'd run var throughout. Don't drop to 40mg keep 60-80mg. BUT wait for other guys to reply aslo. I have never used var myself so don't really like giving advice about something I haven't used before.

T3 is in mcg not mg. I'm also doing t3 at the moment. 20mcg is rather low. If u decide to increase the dosage make sure to do so gradually. I'm on 85mcg daily.

No need for ketotifen if not using clen.

I would keep the tren and mast to 6-8 weeks and run prop a week or two longer, just a personal preference.

MCJ wrote: I'd run var throughout. Don't drop to 40mg keep 60-80mg. BUT wait for other guys to reply aslo. I have never used var myself so don't really like giving advice about something I haven't used before.

T3 is in mcg not mg. I'm also doing t3 at the moment. 20mcg is rather low. If u decide to increase the dosage make sure to do so gradually. I'm on 85mcg daily.

No need for ketotifen if not using clen.

I would keep the tren and mast to 6-8 weeks and run prop a week or two longer, just a personal preference.

Hey bro! Thank you man! Damn this is a HUGE help bro!

Bro I used the var during my bridge in my last cycle, it's was great! Strength on it is unbelievable, so it was great for the bridge. Just found that it suppressed my apatite in a huge way.

Yeah, thanks for the correction on the mg and mcg.. Sorry bro. My mistake there. :dry:
Okay, so I'm gonna increase the T3 accordingly like you say.. Will look that up.
Bro, would I need to get the T3 from the pharmacy? I have a bud that's a pharmacist, so no issues if that's the case. I haven't seen it on my gear listing.

The advice about keeping the Tren to 6 weeks is a great help bro. I'm a little anxious about the Tren.. It's my first time, but I have taken really well to all the other gear I have used in the past. So jus gonna keep a close eye and keep my shit together and be safe.

Would it be unrealistic to think that if I stayed on a high Kal diet for this cycle I could pack on 5-7kg and hold onto 3kg? From this sort of cycle.
I prefer to gain small amounts at a time that I can hold onto and that are manageable.
I'm naturally quite lean and have a above average metabolism.

Again, thank you!! and mostly for your time bro!

I suppose u could get from a pharmacy but keep in mind the forum rules about discussing sources.

U could add that amount of kg yes but that's totally dependant on ur diet bro. Gains from Tren, Var and mast are solid and should keep quite a lof of gains if ur pct is correct and ur training intensity and diet is spot on. Always comes down to diet

I would run the Anavar throughout @60mg ED. T3 at 40mcg throughout. If your diet is spot on you should reach your goals. If you´d like you can post your diet in the Dieting section then we can give some critque.

MCJ wrote: I suppose u could get from a pharmacy but keep in mind the forum rules about discussing sources.

U could add that amount of kg yes but that's totally dependant on ur diet bro. Gains from Tren, Var and mast are solid and should keep quite a lof of gains if ur pct is correct and ur training intensity and diet is spot on. Always comes down to diet

Yeah bro, i promise to stick to the forum rules here.

I learned over the years that diet is such a huge part bro. I discovered that even by changing your diet you can increase your strength to unbelievable levels!
I have been having awesome gains just from working hard on my diet. Gonna post shortly for you to critique

Bro, my training.. I'm currently doing low Sets and low reps.. (Bet 6- and as heavy as this beast will let me go. This routine works really well for me. Also training at night now, instead of in the morning and strength is way better at night.. Probably cause of all the good chow in the day.

Pyroclasm wrote: I would run the Anavar throughout @60mg ED. T3 at 40mcg throughout. If your diet is spot on you should reach your goals. If you´d like you can post your diet in the Dieting section then we can give some critque.

Thanks Pyro. And thanks for all your informative a posts bro! You rock bro! You do a great service to this forum bro! Big respect!

Okay, I will change accordingly. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm so keen to post my diet bro.. Damn, I'd be happy if you can have a look see.. I'm lank proud of it so would love your opinion. Not sure how to link it to this thread, but I'll I figure it out.

40000003 wrote: Weeks 1 - 8
80mg Tren Ace 80 PGW - EOD
100mg Masteron propPGW - EOD
150mg Prop 100 PGW - EOD

I'm not pron to any estrogen sides at all, but I have Arimidex on hand if needs be.

Arimidex will not help you for prolactin sides. I dont see that you added cabasser anywhere ?

Hey Pyro.. I posted my diet in the 'diet' section. Would be so grateful if you had a look bro when you can bro. Thank you.

Oupa wrote:

40000003 wrote: Weeks 1 - 8
80mg Tren Ace 80 PGW - EOD
100mg Masteron propPGW - EOD
150mg Prop 100 PGW - EOD

I'm not pron to any estrogen sides at all, but I have Arimidex on hand if needs be.

Arimidex will not help you for prolactin sides. I dont see that you added cabasser anywhere ?

Hi Oupa, yeah have to be honest, I thought the T3 would cover the prolactin sides and to be honest I'm a bit ignorant with the meds to combat the sides. I really struggle with that, but with time and experience and some help form the forum i will work it out. Gonna research prolactin sides like a beast.
I would take 1mg once a week ED of the Cabasser right? Thanks for the advice Oupa! Also huge respect here bro!

Go have a read op on Prolactin gyno / lactation / erectile dysfunction and shit. Fckin risky to go without.

Minimum of 0.50mg a week. Mon 0.25mg / Thu 0.25mg

EDIT

Some people get away with the recommended dose, others have to up to 1mg per week.... Some people get prolactin sides, others don't.

I would suggest keep on hand for in case you run into shit.

Something i explained in very basic terms a while back thats worth reading

Oupa wrote: Ok so this is my opinion.

Estrogen Gyno from what i have seen and felt (yes i touched a man boob) is more glandular and full of lumps.

As for hyperprolactinemia - your body doesnt know you use steroids to stimulate hormones. Now you use a 19nor and stimulate the progesterone receptor. This leads to prolactin hycretion. Your body will increase prolactin level because its preparing itself for lactation to feed a baby.

Your nipple size increase and sometimes get puffy (banana shaped) and might even change colour slightly. (darker) I have seen it, not xp it myself. So yes, in short, your tits are preparing to feed a child....

Thats the reality of it. Avg out of 10 guys i know who klaps 19 nors, 3 have issues with progyno.

0.5mg twice a week cabaser, and they have no shit.

On the positive, you will know when something is wrong, so make sure you keep cab on hand.

Bro thank you!!

Can I ask you bro, can I just take it anyway while I'm on the cycle? Or should i only have it on hand 'in case' I get the sides? Maybe it won't harm if I just take it anyway, even if I'm not prone to those sides.. You know what I mean? I'd rather be safe bro, like you say.

My opinion based on xp

Keep anti sides meds on hand. You are a bodybuilder and will know when something fucked up is happening.

If something feels out of line on cycle, come report back here and we will assist. There is a fuckload of experienced users on this forum that can assist.

Your cycle looks good, i would change some things a little but that's my personal preference.

Tren 8 weeks @ your dose (80mg)
Test 10 weeks @ your dose (150mg)
Masteron 10 weeks @ your dose (100mg)
Anavar week 4 to 12 @ 60mg ED
T3 - 40mcg ED till pct starts. Do a thyroid pct while you do pct3.
HCG from week 4 to 12 @ 250iu twice a week. PCT starts 2 days after last anavar.

Arimidex & Cabasser on hand & obviously pct3

Oupa wrote: Your cycle looks good, i would change some things a little but that's my personal preference.

Tren 8 weeks @ your dose (80mg)
Test 10 weeks @ your dose (150mg)
Masteron 10 weeks @ your dose (100mg)
Anavar week 4 to 12 @ 60mg ED
T3 - 40mcg ED till pct starts. Do a thyroid pct while you do pct3.
HCG from week 4 to 12 @ 250iu twice a week. PCT starts 2 days after last anavar.

Arimidex & Cabasser on hand & obviously pct3

Oupa! Thank you bro! I am truly am so grateful for your advice.
I'm loving the way this cycle looks! If okay with you, will you look at my diet I posted?