BiG BoY JuIcE!!!

Ok i went through the 7 pages of threads and didnt find anything that answers my question....could have missed it though.

I currently weigh 95kg I am 1.87 m tall.I am 23 years old and i have been gyming for about 2 months now.I am on a low carb diet but get enough in with my protein shake.I have cut down on 10 kg since I have started.

I am looking for a steroid that will make me grow like the hulk...i want seriouse hard big muscle growth..hehehe...but preferably without the watter retention that most hulks at the gym sit with.hehehe

And what can I take with this steroid to counter the sides?

P.s I know it wont happen over night,but what can i use if this is my desired goal....


oh and thank you djeasye for the previouse Answer.posting this here for other nubes to learn more with me.

Thanks

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well sides come with the territory champ. u cant get big with out getting the water retention,so going for a long ester test as a base is your first start. from your post i can see that this is your first cycle so u can get away with just doing a test and dbol cycle.with kessar and pregnyl for pct.

if you wanna throw in a decent anabolic then look at taking deca or equipoise...keep it simple and u will grow. u need to get yourself a decent diet and training program going down first before u even consider juice. if u not eating right how can u expect to grow?

there is no wonder substance out there so dont try and look for it...but u definantly need a test base. if you dont mind injecting every other day then go for test prop as u will get less bloat...100mg eod will do.

have a look at the samples cycle on the side on the site and u should get some direction.

Training for 2 months? Revisit when you have been training for hard 2 years. There are no quick fixes

Ok cool

so what is my shopping list MR DJ?I do eat decent....i think...lol.I mainly eat meat and vegies.I cut all fat off of the meat and use olive oil...my shake contains RDA carbs for my weight.......Im scared of getting fat so thats why im watching my diet.....As for gym...I gym almost every day alternating muscle groups resting on weekends.....I focus on weight training,but do about 15mins of cardio every session...and the rest of the about hour is weight training.....I hear you are the diet pro here DJ So i will mind my diet round you...hehehe

This is my first cycle and i want to do it properly....i want to be aware of sides,dosis and so forth......

thank you for the info

well no offense dude ur not gonna be doing a cycle for a while if u only been training for 2 months
email me. will point u in the right direction.

MxT wrote:

Training for 2 months? Revisit when you have been training for hard 2 years. There are no quick fixes

Hi MxT

Respect your insight,but have been giving this quite a bit of thought......since I joined actualy,so i think its time to give it a go now that i am training my arse off....hehehe

So how have you been MxT.....its been such a loong time.....

You got mail.....

thunda wrote:

MxT wrote:

Training for 2 months? Revisit when you have been training for hard 2 years. There are no quick fixes

Hi MxT

Respect your insight,but have been giving this quite a bit of thought......since I joined actualy,so i think its time to give it a go now that i am training my arse off....hehehe

So how have you been MxT.....its been such a loong time.....

your body isnt ready for it,most injuries happen in the beginning coz ur body cant handle it dude.,,

Ok sweet

I havent realy thought about that....but how would I get hurt training the same as i am training now only taking roids with it?Fine my muscles do get sore every now and then,but thats only when i realy push it.......I will listen to what you guys say,but i dont think it will be so bad taking roids with my exercise....im built quite big already,but i need a bit of building power........Sorry if i am being short sited.

thank dude

chow

There we go DJ - that is what he was waiting for. I trained in my early 20's for 3 years before i could isolate muscles and feel the ones i was targeting. Gave it up for 15 years, took another 1.5 years after starting again to recognise the feeling again.
You cant just throw the weights around, you have to train with purpose.
Your tendons/joints/bones are not used to the exercise you need to do on cycle. Neither is your head. You dont know the intensity youre capable of etc. etc. etc.

well look at this way, juice is like putting nitrous in your car, u need to build the engine up to take the strain of the nitrous fuel,and u need to have a built up engine to start with to get the most out of the nitrous.if u dont upgrade the engine its gonna brake as soon as u put nitrous into it....

there are ways of getting big with out take juice...rather consider it after along time training... juice is not a quick fix. u gotta train hard and feed that muscle with the correct nutrients...rather up your calorie intake.. if u not feeding right its like trying to build a house with just bricks and no cement....

There's much to be said for training naturally. I gained rougly 25kg in 3 years of training and only now I'm in my fifth week on juice. Trust me, no matter how well built you are, if you are not well trained and conditioned there is no way that you can harness your latent intensity to the extent that is required to make any appreciable gains.

I think you would be doing yourself some help if you approach this with caution and knowledge. The last thing you want is to have regrets from mere aesthetic pursuit.

goodluck. Train hard and grow like a weed.

agree with DJ fully! first time i took, i had only been training for like 6months...i shud have waited!

I normally tell the guys the earliest they can even think of cycling is 1 solid year of dieting and hard training..

If they are still sticking with the training after one year , I reckon they commited and wont give up after the first cycle

Many chops that I have seen and I have refered to this Forum, dont listen or take advice seriously.. Most of them have either quite gym or are on their way out!

90 % of guys think its a quick fix . 100% of them burnt their fingures...

bunch of tosses

I hear you guys loud and clear.......everyboddy is shouting stop you litle nonsense you gona get hurt.....But nobody is saying how i am actualy gona get hurt.Will i be picking up more weights than what my body can handle or will the roids damage my body on a chemical level?

Sorry if these questions are idiotic to you,but i am not the only guy out there asking these questions...and if you being ugly about your answers your pushing people away and defering them from asking questions.Then what do they do......they go out abuse Roids die and then its not the person who is blamed for his actions its the steroids....Giving steroids and steroid users a bad name.

please concider this before answering...

Thank you once again for your informing inputs guys.

regards

i 2nd that thunda....please guys substantiate...i'm thinking of taking steroids too...what are the pro's and the cons????????

gfather wrote:

i 2nd that thunda....please guys substantiate...i'm thinking of taking steroids too...what are the pro's and the cons????????

Thank you gfather.Best way to start is to give the guys your stats and training program....like weight,height,diet,goals and how long you have been gyming.....

Welcome to the site..im sure you will be learning alot here.....

regards

anabolics is the cherry on top of the cake that is made of consistant long term, training, dieting and commitment. It is uninformed and a waste of time, money and energy to approuch it any other way. I dont care how kak your genetics is- you can put on atleast 10kgs of lean muscle in your first your of training if ur diet and traing is good not even great, afetr that the grind of 2-3 kgs a year begins if ur consistant and injury free. There are litteraly hundreds of side effects that way on the downside. the upside. You can turn your natural 2-3 kgs a year into maybe double that if you do it right. Great gains are made over years and decades of training and not months.

So Thunda..... start baking that cake! Remember: The quality of the flower , butter, eggs and coco, how you add them together, the quantities and how hot the oven is, is important!
Screw all this up and that cherry will look pretty stupid, don't you think?

@Thunda

The reason you might get hurt is because your tendons take a long time to adapt to training, if you start juicing before your tendons are ready your muscles get to strong for your tendons to handle. My advice is to wait for at least 2 years before you start. Once you have used roids, it's very hard to gain muscle naturally.

Another thing I noticed with some guys that start cycling too soon is , that some mucels are more developed than the other.. (eg left arm might be weaker than the right and so on) You get both arms at the same stength , and so on. Max you body out naturally for a year or too and get all other "unused" as strong as possible .

You body also need to grow and get use to the gradual change of heavy training.

Forcing them to grow before they ready wont give you the result you want. Might look good for a lil while.
But you will loose most if not all of your gains if not done right.

Google all the different side effect and dangers of starting to soon , or using it as a quick fix.


If you are committed to bodybuilding/training. You should be committed to doing it the right way.

Kinda like you car license. You needed you learners first before you actual license..

MxT and the others are all right, but that doesn't mean that you are going to listen to them, does it?

This bodybuilding bug is biting hard, and you are willing to take risks to get what you want.
Aren't we all!!

So if you gonna ignore good advice, best you learn what the risks are, and the difference between taking an educated risk and being reckless. At least then, if something goes wrong, you know or understand why and you can only blame yourself.

That said, the dangers are as mentioned, tendon damage, etc. but more subtle is the fact that without a comprehensive understanding you may be tempted to do reckless things. Like a bloke at my gym who's been on for over a year and as the gains tapered off, he upped the dose and added to the stack.

He was eventually taking enough to kill a horse & he didn't look that good either, strong, but even a gymnast would beat him in a bodybuilding comp. Long story short, he has damaged his liver and is in hospital. As Acidkidsa said, I doubt we will ever see him in the gym again..

You may say that you are not that stupid / reckless / desperate, but ask any of the guys here, it's hard to end a cycle, knowing you may loose some gains. It's damn tempting to stay using.

As for the real dangers, do some serious homework and then decide.
Also, set a date a couple of months away to start a cycle, like 6 months or so.
If at that time you are still keen, take an educated risk, but odds are that your enthusiasm will be reduced and you may have more important things to focus on.

Like getting laid, etc....
Personally, I have stayed away from this forum to avoid the temptations & give my mind a rest.
12 weeks of living from shot to shot & workout to workout makes jack a dull boy.
No parties, no pissups, just eat sleep train!!

well i have sent thunda a decent diet to follow and a new training programme seeing the one he was doing was lacking and mostly included machines in stead of free weights...stick to it for 3 months and then report back champ....

Dj - you should chuck the requirements of the diet with the stats etc on the diet forum - if we can have example stacks we could have example diets as well.