Cycle, New Member, Test+Deca+Anapolon

Good day brethren of the iron,

I come to you today seeking advice, tips and even critique on my proposed cycle.

I would consider my knowledge of the AAS world to be better than average, I've spent countless hours reading and rereading steroid.com profiles as well as trawling forums such as this one in pursuit of knowledge.

This will be my 2nd proper cycle, first one was test e 600mg pw along with 600mg EQ for 10 weeks with a tbol kicker (yes I do understand the flaws with that cycle) nonetheless I experienced decent strength and gains with that cycle.

The cycle I currently have in mind is the following:


Week 1-3 Anapolon 50mg ED
Week 1-10 Deca 350(PGW) 0.7ml Mon,Thurs (490mg)
Week 1-10 Testen 300, Mon,Thurs. 600mg PW
Week 11-13 Prop100 (PGW) start 3 days after last test e shot, run EOD 100mg.

Ancillaries:

Liquid Adex: 0.5mg E3D/twice weekly weeks 1-13
HCG- 250iu 2x week. Weeks 1-13

Also I aim to have Cabaser on hand.

P.C.T

After the prop is it advisable to wait 3 days then commence PCT schedule?

PCT Schedule is as follows:

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

I ran basically the same set up with regard to ancillaries and pct on my last cycle. Had zero sides perhaps maybe a bit bloated.

I have the following questions;

1. In the past I used tablet form of arimidex, the liquid I plan to purchase is 2mg/ml, thus knowledgeable members I ask how exactly do I dose this up? Do I need to purchase some kind of dropper and if so where?

2. I mentioned I have the caber on hand, in what case do I use it? Is it best to run a 0.25mg weekly dose? Or only when certain symptoms arise? Any input will be much appreciated.

3. Essentially the prop is serving as a bridge to pct, I also wanted to ask when running the prop would it be beneficial to perhaps run some proviron during its use? If so what dosage would you recommend, 40mg ED?

Thank you for your time, I hope I haven't been too long winded or asked any stupid questions, I look forward to your responses and any advice you may have for me.

Stats are the following:

Height-1.92m
Weight-98kg
Bf- +-15%
Lifting for: longer than I care to say but around 4 committed years

Diet is also good, consists of mostly chicken, steaks, broccoli and cauliflower.


Regards
Lemmiwinks

Your PCT protocol and start time is not correct. Look at the link below, read through the whole article and then look to run PCT protocol 3.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/9-post-cycle-therapy

As for your cycle, the deca is run to short and you will see after reading the PCT article that the prop will need to be extended and the wait time to PCT after the prop is also longer.

The other questions we can get to once you have a proper layout.

Hi 00pump,

Thank you for the link, thus according to the pct wait time I'll have to wait 45 days before starting pct for the cycle because of deca, I also see prop wait time is 14 days thus do I then run the prop for 31 days after my last shot of deca so the pct times both coincide and pct protocol 3 can begin?

Also just want clarity if running hcg in pct should I then not run it on cycle? Or maybe run from week 5 onwards to prevent nuts from becoming peanuts?

Also you say deca is short? Is 12 weeks preferable? Just a bit of an eff up as I'd have to purchase another 10ml to do so.


Thank you

Looks like you worked it out all yourself.

45 days for the Deca / prop is 14 days, so you extend the prop to the point that it's the only hormone still highly active and you will then just need to ride out 14 days and go into PCT.. You could use Winstrol or another oral for those 14 days and a week or so prior, as majority of the orals you can move to PCT the very next day.

Week 5 onward sounds like a good idea for the hCG...

Deca for 12 weeks is a much better idea, or even 14. I'm all about safe cycles but I'm also realistic as to use the compounds in the best possible way. Don't make money a problem about a cycle, or delay the cycle until you have all the things you need.

Good luck

Hi 00pump,

Noted, thank you, just curious about the first two questions I posted in the original post, your assistance as always is much appreciated.

I don't mean to derail my own thread by any means but from what I gather the pct section on this site was compiled by Doctori in 2008, is it still relevant and up to date with modern knowledge? I mean as far as I could see the justification for it consisted of a meme comparing rugby and American football in one instance and studies which could not be published at the time as well as bashing the info on American forums, I'm not trying to cause conflict just looking to understand, perhaps some other experienced members can chime in such as @admin, @rooi bull 86, @fillet
As I see nothing but a 1x half life to start pct everywhere else except this pct section.

Many thanks

Look in the PCT section and read Muscle Addict's sticky that should explain a lot.
You have to wait 3xHalf life of your longest acting compound before you start PCT other wise the steroid still active in your blood and body is higher than your body's own endogenous androgen levels and if you start PCT then the steroids still cause negative feedback to the HPTA and still supress natural sex hormones thus rendering your PCT ineffective.

I can vouch for Doctaris PCT 3 as my natural testosterone levels were below 200 and after two PCT 3 my natural free test was just under 600. I have blood work to prove it.

Hi Rooi bul 86,

Thank you for your input the sticky helped me understand the rationale for the pct in a much clearer fashion, so pct 3 is your go to? It seems many a member agree hcg is best used on cycle and not pct as it can suppress and hinder effectiveness of the nolva/clomid, thus I think I will definitely follow pct with the exception of the hcg usage since I'll run it on cycle.

Any advice on the caber? It would be appreciated, sorry if it seems I want to be spoon fed, I just rather trust your guy's opinion and expertise more so than the many random posts and opinions floating out there on the Web.

Also I know it may seem stupid but I'd also like a bit of insight on dosing the liquidex before I commence the phase of acquiring everything I need, I'd like to have all my ducks in a row and be 100% confident in what I'm doing.

Thank you for your time.

Caber. I honestly have never used it. I have only ever used 1 19-nor steroid in my very first cycle. So I reckon there are better guys here to answer you.

Liquidex also never touched it. I did use very low dose Letrozole for my second cycle with low dose test cyp. I experienced bad estrogen rebound. So I rather use Aromasin as my AI on cycle as it has various benefits over the others the exception being it is way more expensive.

Sorry for the delay in my replying gentleman,


I have now revised my schedule taking into account the advice given.

Week 1-3 Anapolon 50mg (same as before)
Week 1-14 Deca (490mg p/w) as before just extended
Week 1-15 Testen 300 (600mg) pw also extended


Adex run 0.5mg 2x weekly weeks 1-15
Hcg from week 5 @250iu p/w until pct

Caber on hand 6x 1mg tabs (enough?)

Prop begin week 16 (3 days after last test e) @100mg EOD for total of 24 days (because of deca and also running test e 1 week longer) then ride out the 14 days with an oral as suggested.

Anavar @80mg ED for 12/13 days then after day 14 begin pct protocol 3 with exception of the hcg.


@00pump @Rooi Bull 86 and any other members who can offer me insight I will much appreciate it, how is the cycle looking and sounding now?

I'm not going a bit mal for a 2nd cycle? Or will this bring me some very solid results?

As always many thanks I look forward to your opinions.

Lemmiwinks95 wrote: Sorry for the delay in my replying gentleman,


I have now revised my schedule taking into account the advice given.

Week 1-3 Anapolon 50mg (same as before)
Week 1-14 Deca (490mg p/w) as before just extended
Week 1-15 Testen 300 (600mg) pw also extended


Adex run 0.5mg 2x weekly weeks 1-15
Hcg from week 5 @250iu p/w until pct

Caber on hand 6x 1mg tabs (enough?)

Prop begin week 16 (3 days after last test e) @100mg EOD for total of 24 days (because of deca and also running test e 1 week longer) then ride out the 14 days with an oral as suggested.

Anavar @80mg ED for 12/13 days then after day 14 begin pct protocol 3 with exception of the hcg.


@00pump @Rooi Bull 86 and any other members who can offer me insight I will much appreciate it, how is the cycle looking and sounding now?

I'm not going a bit mal for a 2nd cycle? Or will this bring me some very solid results?

As always many thanks I look forward to your opinions.

Good cycle. You could get away with a test only cycle, the choice is yours. If you going to focus and dedicated every bit of effort from diet to training, rest and good healthy living (away from alcohol, etc), that cycle will turn you current form into a monster. But neglect the above and it will just be toxic with the potential for allot of side effects.

PCT 3 will include hCG too. The protocol is perfectly designed the way it is, hence the use of the Aromasin I know members on the board who have been able to have children using this and I am one of them after years of damage. If you running Deca, stick to the PCT to the T.

Can you swop out the 12 day var with 12 days winstrol?

Hey dryden,

Suppose I could get winstrol, what makes it a better choice in your opinion bud?

Thanks

dryden wrote: Can you swop out the 12 day var with 12 days winstrol?

He makes a good point, anavar needs a bit more time to work, winstrol is allot cheaper. Run it from the last shot of the Testen right to 5ue day before PCT

00pump wrote:

dryden wrote: Can you swop out the 12 day var with 12 days winstrol?

He makes a good point, anavar needs a bit more time to work, winstrol is allot cheaper. Run it from the last shot of the Testen right to THE day before PCT

just fixed what pump meant there... a bit of a typo lol

if using it from the last shot of testen then why not just stay with anavar? that should be more than enough time to get to work right?
i personally would lean towards anavar due to the joints. unless of-course the joints wont be an issue to the lemmiwink?

Hoosit Hoosain,

Thank you for your input, perhaps 00pump can answer your question which will help me decide on which one to go with, to be honest I've had a shoulder impingement since mid Nov (pushing too heavy on bench not enough warm up) so I'm hoping to remedy that with the deca to an extent, perhaps as u say the winny may be rough on the joints? Personally I've never used either or compound but the var seems to be a lot of people's go to as the winny leaves muscles flatter than a pita bread?, anyways the Lemmiwinks is considering them both and any assistance in this regard will be appreciated as I plan to do my order soon.

Cheers
Lemmiwinks

hey lemmiwink, i actually posted the question to 00pump out of interest.

i am still learning alot on this forum as well.
personally have not used winny, but have steered clear based on the joints getting affected.

Hoosain wrote: hey lemmiwink, i actually posted the question to 00pump out of interest.

i am still learning alot on this forum as well.
personally have not used winny, but have steered clear based on the joints getting affected.

If you suffer joint problems and have the money, then be all means go with the Anavar.

Hey 00pump,

I am quite constrained at the moment so I think I will go with the winny hopefully the joint is well by then, so 50mg ED in the period you've stipulated?

I really do appreciate your input and would like to thank u for all the assistance you've offered on my cycle, I'm a bit nervous to do 17-18 weeks of test but I know u wouldn't give shoddy advice, the biggest part of me is definitely excitement with a whole lot of commitment of what's to come.

I don't recommend heavy cycles for a start, secondly you can exit at any time. If you have a discipline to focus for this time then go for it.. The winny you can run at 30mg a day.

00pump wrote: I don't recommend heavy cycles for a start, secondly you can exit at any time. If you have a discipline to focus for this time then go for it.. The winny you can run at 30mg a day.

100%, I understand 00pump but if you recommend to me to use deca for 14 weeks to get the most out of it and so forth I will take your advice, I see you are amongst the most experienced on this forum and your advice is always solid, I find much reassurance in you telling me it's a good cycle and I look forward to achieving everything it holds for me.

I plan to start in the next two weeks and will update in this thread to let everyone know the outcome.

All the best
Lemmiwinks

Lemmiwinks95 wrote:

00pump wrote: I don't recommend heavy cycles for a start, secondly you can exit at any time. If you have a discipline to focus for this time then go for it.. The winny you can run at 30mg a day.

100%, I understand 00pump but if you recommend to me to use deca for 14 weeks to get the most out of it and so forth I will take your advice, I see you are amongst the most experienced on this forum and your advice is always solid, I find much reassurance in you telling me it's a good cycle and I look forward to achieving everything it holds for me.

I plan to start in the next two weeks and will update in this thread to let everyone know the outcome.

All the best
Lemmiwinks

Great, just make sure you monitor your BP during the cycle.

Any recommendations/precautions I should take kind sir?

Lemmiwinks95 wrote: Any recommendations/precautions I should take kind sir?

Some would say to do bloods before, I don't thinks that's wrong but if you healthy and your body is working the way it should you should be fine. Just keep an eye on your blood pressure during the cycle, and really make sure you give this cycle your complete attention, keep your kidneys hydrated, don't add 3rd party toxins.

Good evening fellow forumites,


The cycle is expected to commence Monday, so quite excited.

Just a question and perhaps 00pump you may please assist me, I also have 100x 20mg proviron on hand, when would be the optimal time to use this and what dosage? Was thinking 40mg ED from week 1-7?

As always I do appreciate your replies,
Thank u

Use in your bridge