New Jan Cycle

Hey Guys

After some calculation and advice Im changing my previous Sust 250 Cycle.
This is what I have in mind know.

Week 1 - 10 Pgw Supertest 320 x2 a week
Week 7 - 10 LP Winstrol @ 40mg ED

Oh and the reason im going 10 weeks is because of the 10ml vials, dont want to buy a extra 1 just for 4 shots. I wanted to use armidex but cant get my hands on it anymore. so will be using Letro instead. So what u guys think?

I will post my planned pct this weekend.

Thanx

Ok dude your cycle looks fine but what i would do is run test from week 1-10 then run your winstrol from week 6-12 and then u can start your pct,as with any long ester u have to wait for 2weeks before u can start your pct so running winstrol or box fast acting oral in that two weeks is a good idea untill pct starts. Letro at 0.25mg eod will be fine to keep water down,u might need a bit more depending on how much u bloat up

djeasye wrote:

Ok dude your cycle looks fine but what i would do is run test from week 1-10 then run your winstrol from week 6-12 and then u can start your pct,as with any long ester u have to wait for 2weeks before u can start your pct so running winstrol or box fast acting oral in that two weeks is a good idea untill pct starts. Letro at 0.25mg eod will be fine to keep water down,u might need a bit more depending on how much u bloat up

thanx bro. But wont 6weeks be harsh on my liver or is it fine with my dosage?

no 6 weeks is the max u can really run it...but its fine dude

Fakey_AK wrote:

djeasye wrote:

Ok dude your cycle looks fine but what i would do is run test from week 1-10 then run your winstrol from week 6-12 and then u can start your pct,as with any long ester u have to wait for 2weeks before u can start your pct so running winstrol or box fast acting oral in that two weeks is a good idea untill pct starts. Letro at 0.25mg eod will be fine to keep water down,u might need a bit more depending on how much u bloat up

thanx bro. But wont 6weeks be harsh on my liver or is it fine with my dosage?

Make sure to take enough Milk thistle and Essentiale throughout your cycle and your liver will be fine.

Thanx a mil guys. Any personal favourites when it comes liver support? Last 1 i used was " Naturelle milk thistle"

Can't get better than SAMe its around R350 for 30 tablets.. frown at the price then don't complain when milk thistle didn't do the trick and your body is fucked up.

00pump wrote:

Can't get better than SAMe its around R350 for 30 tablets.. frown at the price then don't complain when milk thistle didn't do the trick and your body is fucked up.

Yea Like pump's body he carries the liver in the pocket now attached with a permanent propiontae drip to keep the liver strong

Get your doc to give you a script for Legalon. After staring with Legalon my liver recovers in week after a cycle.

I've done some reading and it seems like SAMe is a briliant product and from what i read it can actually reverse liver siroses.

Hey guys

OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.

Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at

Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days

the pregnal is the part im not sure of

Can someone shed some light please?

Some guys start using pregnyl while on cycle (last 2 weeks) while others wait until the gear has worked itself out of your system... Usually 1st week 500ui's 2x a week and 40mg kessar ed, 2nd week 500iu's 3x a week and 40mg kessar ed, 3rd week clomid 100mg and 20mg kessar ed, 4th week 50mg clomid ed and 20mg kessar...

I prefer to start Pregnyl during the last week of a long ester cycle because I want to be done with Pregnyl by the time I start Kessar as there's some scientific reason why the two substances can't be used together. I use a standard PCT that has always worked well for me. Pregnyl 500IUs EOD (3 times a week) then 100mg Clomid for 7 days then 50mg for 6 days then switch over to 20mg Kessar for 20 days.

Fakey_AK wrote:

Hey guys

OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.

Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at

Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days

the pregnal is the part im not sure of

Can someone shed some light please?

Well in Doctaris protocol he says start the HCG the same day as the tamoxifen (Day8). Then he wants you to run it for 20days a 1000iu EOD, so its basically ten days of HCG injects. He says shoot them in four-five equal doses a day (200-250iu each).

Now while I agree with his running HCG through the cycle (I like to start my PCT when I start my cycle ), there are a few aspects I don't agree with as I have stated before.
1) I prefer to up my HCG when the cycle stops to get balls going as close to the last pin as possible.
2) I think you need to run a SERM after the HCG, because of course there is a drop in LH levels and thus test levels after HCG use. This can also cause gyno from the estrogen imbalance that may result.
3) I don't think proviron or any androgen is conducive to proper recovery in PCT.
4) Of this is debatable and person specific, but I worry about using high doses of HCG, and I don't particularly need them.

Inja wrote:

Fakey_AK wrote:

Hey guys

OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.

Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at

Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days

the pregnal is the part im not sure of

Can someone shed some light please?

Well in Doctaris protocol he says start the HCG the same day as the tamoxifen (Day8). Then he wants you to run it for 20days a 1000iu EOD, so its basically ten days of HCG injects. He says shoot them in four-five equal doses a day (200-250iu each).

Now while I agree with his running HCG through the cycle (I like to start my PCT when I start my cycle ), there are a few aspects I don't agree with as I have stated before.
1) I prefer to up my HCG when the cycle stops to get balls going as close to the last pin as possible.
2) I think you need to run a SERM after the HCG, because of course there is a drop in LH levels and thus test levels after HCG use. This can also cause gyno from the estrogen imbalance that may result.
3) I don't think proviron or any androgen is conducive to proper recovery in PCT.
4) Of this is debatable and person specific, but I worry about using high doses of HCG, and I don't particularly need them.

Do you run HCG through your entire cycle? Don't you think running HCG for extended periods will cause desensitization?
I've always thought it would be best to run HCG mid cycle for about a week or 2 (depending on the cycle length) and then again at the start of pct for 2 weeks concurrent with the nolva and then run the nolva for 3 weeks after cessation of HCG.
I've never used HCG and want to on my next cycle so am interested to hear all perspectives. There seems to be many differing opinions on how to use it best.

Agreed in entirety Yohimbinoid, both extended periods of HCG usage and higher doses can desensitise the testicles. Regardless of cycle length I usually run it for 10-12 weeks at 200-500iu a week, split into small doses throughout the week. So in my last 16 weeker I ran it from week 5. Sometimes I put the gap in the middle, or a one week gap every few weeks. There is no particular reason for me running it 10-12 weeks in each cycle but I know it worked well the first time I used it in a 12 weeker and haven't gone for longer stints based on your post content above. Certainly the low dose I think playa a role in preventing desensitisation while still provided LH-like pulses that keep my balls plump.
Of course I up the HCG once PCT has started, but I still don't use very high doses and for a very short time frame. I might try using it every other week in my next cycle because its quite a long one. We'll see...

Either way I find low doses of HCG through the cycle prevent my balls from ever shrinking, and the transition to PCT is very smooth. Its a protocol I like, but I will be the first to dismiss it should I suffer from desensitisation in the long run. I certainly prefer it to mega doses though, those just seem way riskier to me.

Ok from what i gather, i should use hcg in week 11 and 12 and start clomid and kessar at week 13 witch would be 2 weeks after last shot.

OK my pct

Week 11 hcg 500iu's 2x a week
Week 12 hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 kessar 40mg ed split
week 15 kessar 20mg ed split
week 16 kessar 20mg ed split

Does this look right? A mix and match of the posted cycles

Also another thing the letro i will be using on cycle should i continue that in pct also

No, stop the letro before PCT.

Your PCT is definately a doable one. Personally I'd run a SERM 11-16 and the HCG 11-13 at 3X a week for all weeks, but those are just personal choices. Your PCT you laid out is a basic but reasonably solid one.

Thanx Inja

Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.

Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed

As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?

Fakey_AK wrote:

Thanx Inja

Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.

Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed

As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?

IMO you need to run var longer than 6 weeks. Winny is definitely superior, but is harsher on your body, liver, joints and lipids.
If you haven't got your stuff, I think tbol would be good substitute-something inbetween.

I agree with Inja that you should overlap the serm and hcg, and then run the serm for a few weeks after the HCG.
Always run a serm after letro use in case of estrogen rebound

Yohimbe wrote:

Fakey_AK wrote:

Thanx Inja

Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.

Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed

As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?

IMO you need to run var longer than 6 weeks. Winny is definitely superior, but is harsher on your body, liver, joints and lipids.
If you haven't got your stuff, I think tbol would be good substitute-something inbetween.

I agree with Inja that you should overlap the serm and hcg, and then run the serm for a few weeks after the HCG.
Always run a serm after letro use in case of estrogen rebound

I thimk I get what u and inja r saying. But shouldn't i wait at least 2 weeks after last injection to start with the serms? So last shot will be in week 10, Week 11 I can start hcg @500iu's 3x a week ans same for week 12. Week 13 I still do the hcg and also clomid, following suit with the kessar.

Sorry for the questions but this will be my first proper pct want to get it right this time.

Yeah better to run the HCG into week thirteen especially since you are still running androgen in weeks 11 and 12. If you get a 5000iu vial you can even throw in the last 500iu in the beginning of week 14. Then your still sittin with roughly 3 weeks of SERM after the HCG.

As an aside, if you are gyno sensitive its often better to start the SERM use in week eleven with the HCG, since the HCG can inflame gyno risk. Not much problem if your not sensitive though, just keep it in mind.

You might not even need HCG in this cycle from what i gathered you are taking 640 a week? Im coming of a 18 week cycle now of 800 Mgs of Test cypionate and first 6 weeks fronloaded with test prop. I agree with Inja fully proviron is a bad move in the PCT. It will supress you more. Im using Docs Protocol slightly modified with double dosages on tamoxifen. Working great right now in week 2 of PCT and my nuts have gone huge. Im not a fan of HCG, I use it during the cycle few times but HCG has some serious permanent sides if I can avoid it I will. Your cycle doesnt look heavy to me but anyways thats my opinion..

O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.

Lesa wrote:

You might not even need HCG in this cycle from what i gathered you are taking 640 a week? Im coming of a 18 week cycle now of 800 Mgs of Test cypionate and first 6 weeks fronloaded with test prop. I agree with Inja fully proviron is a bad move in the PCT. It will supress you more. Im using Docs Protocol slightly modified with double dosages on tamoxifen. Working great right now in week 2 of PCT and my nuts have gone huge. Im not a fan of HCG, I use it during the cycle few times but HCG has some serious permanent sides if I can avoid it I will. Your cycle doesnt look heavy to me but anyways thats my opinion..

O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.

Quick Hi Jack: Lesa, you doing alot of cardio with your boxing (off course). You probably used clen before. How did it influence your cardio. I know they say it can have a influence but i find this a complete understatement. It completely screws up my cardio. I feel like a complete novice and i know im fit

Lesa wrote:

You might not even need HCG in this cycle from what i gathered you are taking 640 a week? Im coming of a 18 week cycle now of 800 Mgs of Test cypionate and first 6 weeks fronloaded with test prop. I agree with Inja fully proviron is a bad move in the PCT. It will supress you more. Im using Docs Protocol slightly modified with double dosages on tamoxifen. Working great right now in week 2 of PCT and my nuts have gone huge. Im not a fan of HCG, I use it during the cycle few times but HCG has some serious permanent sides if I can avoid it I will. Your cycle doesnt look heavy to me but anyways thats my opinion..

O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.

Hey Lesa

I've got 2 Questions if u dont mind

1. Is the pharm grade armidex under the name armidex or something else

2. Being a boxer what do u use to tie up your wrists. I started doing some cardio on the bags but my wrist are killing me the next day.