Pro BB cycle

Does anyone on this forum know what a Pro BB cycle will look like. If you take in to accout that the guys from the USA are way ahead with the use of AAS, thay are defenitly doing thing alot diffrently then us.

I've always been of the opinion that this is what it would look like!

www.steroid.com/advancecycle2.php

If you go to bb.com there was a undercover pro on there and he said that pro cycles didn't differ that much from the average guys cycle the only difference is that they eat A LOT more that the average body builder.

Thanks bud.

Yeah I tend to agree, they're not doing much different as they have access to the same knowledge we do... From the articles one comes across over the web (discounting the absurd) there does not seem to be much different with the same level of variation we see in our cycles. The seem to hover around the 1g-2g per week mark with some going higher.

They use a lot of HGH and IGF as well in pretty high doses. I think expense is a limiting factor here.

Inja wrote:

Yeah I tend to agree, they're not doing much different as they have access to the same knowledge we do... From the articles one comes across over the web (discounting the absurd) there does not seem to be much different with the same level of variation we see in our cycles. The seem to hover around the 1g-2g per week mark with some going higher.

dude i am cutting on 2.3grams a week,those guys if they come off cycle use close to 8-9g a week,i saw one of the cycles milos advised to some one, 1.5g tren enanthate a week,3g of test enanthate a week and 3.5g of equi a week then he changes the protocol after 8 weeks or so... 8g dude and thats for a a guy of 115kgs.

I found this in Steroid.com forum section

As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001

The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder

As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).

Week 14

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 13

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 12

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 11

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 10

200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 9

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 8

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

3 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 7

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

4 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 6

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*


Week 5

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*


Week 4

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 3

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 2

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg/day mesterolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

100 mg/day Testosterone suspension

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week

100 mg/day mesterolone

100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*

Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*

*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.

djeasye wrote:

dude i am cutting on 2.3grams a week,those guys if they come off cycle use close to 8-9g a week,i saw one of the cycles milos advised to some one, 1.5g tren enanthate a week,3g of test enanthate a week and 3.5g of equi a week then he changes the protocol after 8 weeks or so... 8g dude and thats for a a guy of 115kgs.

Well there you go then

If we in SA does the same cycles as the guys in the US why can't we get as Big as thay do? Even is we have a Pro like Gary Straidom living the Pro BB live like Jay Cutler, why is Gary not in the same class as Jay? And Gary has been a Pro for a lonk time now. I know Gary is a Huge guy but for some reason the USA BB just become bigger. :hmm

height bro,jay cutler is 5"10 if i am not mistaken,gary is 6ft1

Thanks DJ & Andre511 I now have a good idea why thay are so huge.

Yet again proving my theory that if you want to grow you need to change substances every so often!

Supercharged wrote:

If we in SA does the same cycles as the guys in the US why can't we get as Big as thay do? Even is we have a Pro like Gary Straidom living the Pro BB live like Jay Cutler, why is Gary not in the same class as Jay? And Gary has been a Pro for a lonk time now. I know Gary is a Huge guy but for some reason the USA BB just become bigger. :hmm

Gary is also in his 50's-his day was in the 80's/early 90's.

You also have to take a cross section of the population with the means to train and access AAS-comes down to money. US has a comparatively large population compared to SA that have access and the means to reach pro level.
It's a numbers game-there is probably only a fraction of a % of people that have the genetics to become a pro, regardless of gear.
So that % translates into more people in the US when you have 120 million people with stronger buying power, compared to our 45 million, with perhaps 1 million with access to the facilities to realise their genetic potential.

There is also money in the US if you become a pro, or even an amateur, not so much in competing, but in endorsements.
Here, there's nothing. You can't make a living in SA out of being a bodybuilder, it will always be a side line. And life tends to get in the way of the bodybuilding lifestyle needed to maintain peak condition and make continual gains.

Yohimbe wrote:

Supercharged wrote:

If we in SA does the same cycles as the guys in the US why can't we get as Big as thay do? Even is we have a Pro like Gary Straidom living the Pro BB live like Jay Cutler, why is Gary not in the same class as Jay? And Gary has been a Pro for a lonk time now. I know Gary is a Huge guy but for some reason the USA BB just become bigger. :hmm

Gary is also in his 50's-his day was in the 80's/early 90's.

You also have to take a cross section of the population with the means to train and access AAS-comes down to money. US has a comparatively large population compared to SA that have access and the means to reach pro level.
It's a numbers game-there is probably only a fraction of a % of people that have the genetics to become a pro, regardless of gear.
So that % translates into more people in the US when you have 120 million people with stronger buying power, compared to our 45 million, with perhaps 1 million with access to the facilities to realise their genetic potential.

There is also money in the US if you become a pro, or even an amateur, not so much in competing, but in endorsements.
Here, there's nothing. You can't make a living in SA out of being a bodybuilder, it will always be a side line. And life tends to get in the way of the bodybuilding lifestyle needed to maintain peak condition and make continual gains.

Agreed

This is my personal opinion. ITS ALL ABOUT GENETICS, not drugs. djease, i disagree with you that it boils down to drugs and dosses. surely they use alot of drugs and the doses may be higher than that of the average joe but its all about the KNOWLEDGE they have, training and nutrition.

Take alook at our rugby, were pretty dam good, if we had to play USA, we would f_ck them SOLID. But in tge fitness and bodybuilding industry they rape us. they have stores the size of dischem purely stocked of supplements, over 300 companies as apposed to us having 5 or so.

Look at kai oaks, he siad to charles glass: listen ill give you half of my winings for all my shows thats if i place 1st including the olympia. i think he even said he would give charles all his wins. yes there is alot of money but they do it for a passion, they have the genetics and KNOWLEDGE, NOT INTERNET KNOWLEDGE. VERY DIFFERENT. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN CUTLER OR COLEMAN SITTING BEHIND A PC AND GIVING OUT INFO TO THE PUBLIC...its because they KNOW something that WE DONT, this is what seperates us from THEM.

Marius has the genetics, but absolutely no knowledge. Yes he won his pro card but i can gaurantee you that will be his last win ever. He will never be able to compete with the guys overseas.

very good genetics tho but no knowledge. if Shameen adams brain was inside marius body the we could be talking about a potential freak that would do dammage to the international scene.

I agree fully with masterm. And if you don't have the knowledge yourself you buy it! There are guys that only do contest preps!

Jenny Lynn's conditioning coach has over 100 clients and I'm sure he doesn't charge R3.50.

I'll put money on the fact that Jay Cutler has about 10 people working with him and of those there will be some nerd sitting in a lab checking his bloods and working out what juice works the best with his DNA!

And then on top of all this you need some super freaky genetics and major moola to be pro!

thank you vega 5!!!

djeasye, you wrong because i just remembered that when coleman came to the country 2-3 years ago he told one of my biokinetcs clients that 2grams a week is a sufficent, then they add in other compunds. its all monitored by doctors oaks, blood work all the time.

back in arnies day, they used to smoke pot, take pain killers and bang calves for 3 hours straight. after that bodybuilding started deceloping, people started to find new training and dieting techniques. the guys you see now like cutler are the biggest they will be until doctors start messing with the human DNA and genes. do your self a favour and watch BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER. ANSWRS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.

muscletech pay millions to make sure thier athletes stay at the top with the right doctors and drugs!

correct me if im wrong, its illegal to use anabbolics in the IFBB, but yet we KNOW FOR SURE THE PROS USE THE STUFF, then ask your self one thing? how are they not getting caught?

appparently decca stays in the system for +- 18 months, they hVE THE KNOWLEDGE WITH DRUGS, TRAINING AND NUTRIOTN.

masterm wrote:

thank you vega 5!!!

djeasye, you wrong because i just remembered that when coleman came to the country 2-3 years ago he told one of my biokinetcs clients that 2grams a week is a sufficent, then they add in other compunds. its all monitored by doctors oaks, blood work all the time.

back in arnies day, they used to smoke pot, take pain killers and bang calves for 3 hours straight. after that bodybuilding started deceloping, people started to find new training and dieting techniques. the guys you see now like cutler are the biggest they will be until doctors start messing with the human DNA and genes. do your self a favour and watch BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER. ANSWRS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.

muscletech pay millions to make sure thier athletes stay at the top with the right doctors and drugs!

correct me if im wrong, its illegal to use anabbolics in the IFBB, but yet we KNOW FOR SURE THE PROS USE THE STUFF, then ask your self one thing? how are they not getting caught?

appparently decca stays in the system for +- 18 months, they hVE THE KNOWLEDGE WITH DRUGS, TRAINING AND NUTRIOTN.

sorry to tell u this dude i am not wrong,coleman only on 2 grams of gear a week? look at guy shaffer,do u think he takes 2 grams a week,u are smoking rocks if u think that,you are right about marius knowing nothing,i know what he uses and sometimes u begin to wonder what he is doing... honestly i have seen the cycles that Milos sends out to his clients and what i have stated is only small fry, honestly masterm they use alot more gear than u think, look at what dave palumbo suggests for a cutting cycle,even a normal intermediate cutting cycle is over a gram and a half of goodies... and thats who is helping marius now...honestly if u think these guys only use 2 grams u are wrong,do u honestly think coleman knows what he is taking? look at some of his dvd's where he sifts through his pill box taking 5 of this and 10 of that...u think those are all sups?? i think not bro

Andre511 wrote:

I found this in Steroid.com forum section

As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001

The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder

As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).

Week 14

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate



25 mg/day methandrostenolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 13

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 12

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 11

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 10

200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 9

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 8

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

3 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 7

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

4 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 6

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*


Week 5

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*


Week 4

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 3

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 2

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg/day mesterolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

100 mg/day Testosterone suspension

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week

100 mg/day mesterolone

100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*

Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*

*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=163619 read that about that cycle...

i think most of those pills are vits, not like an animal pak rather a few tabs for everything, joints, cholersterol, liver, metformin, and when i say vitamins i mean each tab for vitamin a, c, d, e omega the works!

who knows maybe sedatives to calm him down, as he takes soo much test tren etc, anti depressents, maybe a little viagra every know and then

but honestly djeasye you dont know until you speak to milos 1 on 1!

the dosses you gave earler re ridiculous and if pros are taking that much they are bound to hit very very serious side effects soon. heart attacks everything.

all those pills he takes we honestly do not know what they are. bru, look at coleman at 19 playing nfl, freak, huuge, genetics.

my best results have been short cycles at lower doses dor 5 weeks or so but thts just me..still a lightie.!

THOSE CYCLES ON THE NET ARE NEVER TRUE,
we cant know for sure, if its true and i doubt it because the major pros i.e victor martinez, coleman, cutler preist have never posted any cycle info on th net. never.

look at kai he wasnt even placing TOP 10 at most shows until he started training with glass, then he took home the arnold, correct me if im wrong.

its all about knowledge my brother, genetics, training and diet, i dont belive it boils down to drugs at the end of the day. yes they have a role but not a tremendous 1.

masterm i know what i know,we are gonna have to agree to disagree here,cos i have seen that cycle that milos gave someone,i have seen the cycle that dave palumbo also gave some one cos i know the guy who supplied them and i trust him with my life and he has shown me the emails and and print outs,so we can go back and forth like this but its going to go no where lol... i do know that gary straydom came to sa and he was using 2ml's of SA sust a day thats 14mls a week and thats 3500mg of test a week just as a maintaince dose bro that excluding the gh he was using, u can email me and discuss this off the record and i can tell u who these things where for...

shot brother, u got an e-mail add for me?

I agree with Masterm in that genetics are important, but in the current bodybuilding world without the drugs you will get no where.
You need to have good genetics and access to shit loads of drugs. The pros are on heavy doses of steroids as well as IGF and HGH.

Saying he would give up his winnings is meaningless, they get something like $150,000 for winning the Olympia, but the endorsement deals are worth millions.
That's why they can afford the outrageous doses and concoctions they use. Greg Kovacs was worth millions and injecting everything and anything, yet he never won any pro competitions.

If Arnold could compete in his top shape when he won '75 Olympia today, he wouldn't even place. Genetics just aren't cutting anymore.