3rd cycle, any advise?

this is my first entry, joined yesterday.

Age:22
weight: 85kg
length: 181cm
bodyfat: 8%

and ive been training for about 4years.

im planning on a next cycle.
please tell me what you think.

im gonna use a pre-mixed blend of 50mg testprop,50mg trenacetate, 50mg masteron. 1ml twice a week on tuesday and friday.
also im gonna use testprop100 and equi200. 1ml of each twice a week, on mondays and thursdays.
anavar is gonna be the only oral one i use, at 5x10mg tabs per day for 5days.

i believe my diet is ok,(but any advise will def help)

wake-up: pure whey shake.
breakfast: large cup oats with 5eggwhites and a slice of bread.
snack(1 hour before training): nitrotech mixed with waxymaize, along with animalpak multivitamine.
pre-workout: Vpx NO shotgun
intra-shake: Vpx NO synthesize
Post workout: double nitrotech with waxymaize and BCAA's
Lunch: 200g chicken, rice, sweet potatos.
snack: casein shake
dinner: 300g steak, veggies, or salad.
before bed: caseinshake.

Ace-of-spades wrote:

im gonna use a pre-mixed blend of 50mg testprop,50mg trenacetate, 50mg masteron. 1ml twice a week on tuesday and friday.which brand makes this? i would use 2mls of thise eod day (monday,wednesday,friday,sunday) if u are going to use that.

also im gonna use testprop100 and equi200. 1ml of each twice a week, on mondays and thursdays.so u gonna be doing jabs on a monday tuesday,thurday and friday? ummmm rethink that... how long do u plan on running this cycle for?

anavar is gonna be the only oral one i use, at 5x10mg tabs per day for 5days.this is a waste as u need to take anavar for at least 4weeks 6 weeks is better though.

i believe my diet is ok,(but any advise will def help)

wake-up: pure whey shake.
breakfast: large cup oats with 5eggwhites and a slice of bread. stick with oats and egg whites only here.
snack(1 hour before training): nitrotech mixed with waxymaize, along with animalpak multivitamine. i would either have this or your no shot gun not both.
pre-workout: Vpx NO shotgun
intra-shake: Vpx NO synthesize
Post workout: double nitrotech with waxymaize and BCAA's bro this is your 4th meal and only 1 of them is a solid meal,this needs to change.u are relying on supplements to much here
Lunch: 200g chicken, rice, sweet potatos. u weight out your chicken but not your rice or sweet potato's,why is this?
snack: casein shake
dinner: 300g steak, veggies, or salad.
before bed: caseinshake.

well in terms of diet u are not getting in enough whole food and u are spending bucket loads on supplements...what u are having is a waste and you dont have enough whole foods in your diet... your cycle i dont get at all,why not stick to something simple like a 12 weeks cycle of test enanthate,equi,dbol and wisntrol with a good pct and arimidex on hand if u have any estrogen related sides.. if your diet is clean u wont put on to much water at all,but that diet is shocking. what are your goals?

thank you for the advise, as im hardup on it,i had a guy advise me what to take, but i ended up with HUGE side-effects.

my goals are as lean as possible mass.
ive never used any test in my cycles as i was told my natural test is more than enough(any i used deca with that cycle). so my side-effects were bad and irreversable.

with my dieet, it differs from day to day, but this is the least i get in per day.

i also thought of taking it 3times a week, just to stablise my blood levels...

but to be honest...i dont know

Ace-of-spades wrote:

and ive been training for about 4years.

im planning on a next cycle.
please tell me what you think.

im gonna use a pre-mixed blend of 50mg testprop,50mg trenacetate, 50mg masteron. 1ml twice a week on tuesday and friday.
also im gonna use testprop100 and equi200. 1ml of each twice a week, on mondays and thursdays.
anavar is gonna be the only oral one i use, at 5x10mg tabs per day for 5days.

Why not drop the prop and get some Test E 300 mg, feels that you are not getting in enough test, 50mg tren ace, 50mg masteron, test prop 50mg all combined, with a long ester eqiu 200mg and then test prop 100mg again.

I would rather go for test e with equi both leke long esters.

basically who ever told u that is a liar dude,i suggest u do a simple cycle,test and dbol and winstrol to end,i can tell u now that your gains with a proper diet will be better than that fancy ass shit that u are planning on doing...300mg twice a week and 40mg dbol to front load with is perfect... u also need to get your pct in order... the diet needs alot of work.

one thing that i forgot to add is that ive got my first comp in August. not bodybuilding but very similar. so everything is going in that direction.

when the guy told me that i didnt need test, i also doubted him. coz ive done my fair share of reading up. but still, what did i really know.

my last cycle was all pgw products.
trianabol 2ml twice a week,
tren150 1ml twice a week,
anavar 3 tabs a day from LP.

and i ended in a disaster...
and i dont wanna go down that road again....

I trust what these guys tell me..... they know more than you think and have helped me out quite alot!

Test is a must for any lean mass or bulking cycle... but use a proper test... like they suggested, use Test E. Very good!

Ace-of-spades wrote:

one thing that i forgot to add is that ive got my first comp in August. not bodybuilding but very similar. so everything is going in that direction.

when the guy told me that i didnt need test, i also doubted him. coz ive done my fair share of reading up. but still, what did i really know.

my last cycle was all pgw products.
trianabol 2ml twice a week,
tren150 1ml twice a week,
anavar 3 tabs a day from LP.

and i ended in a disaster...
and i dont wanna go down that road again....

Please beat the guy up that told you this! You've been using two 19-nor products together. That will suppress your "naturtally high" to in the region of zero?

The first thing you need to learn is not to lend your ears out to the first "big" guy that you see that sounds that he knows what he's talking about.

Please listen to DJ about the basic cycle.

Did you have blood tests done after your last cycle to see how your liver, kidneys and natural test levels recovered?

vega5 wrote:

Ace-of-spades wrote:

one thing that i forgot to add is that ive got my first comp in August. not bodybuilding but very similar. so everything is going in that direction.

when the guy told me that i didnt need test, i also doubted him. coz ive done my fair share of reading up. but still, what did i really know.

my last cycle was all pgw products.
trianabol 2ml twice a week,
tren150 1ml twice a week,
anavar 3 tabs a day from LP.

and i ended in a disaster...
and i dont wanna go down that road again....

Please the guy that told you this! You've been using two 19-nor products together. That will suppress your "high natural" to in the region of zero, nothing, fuck all, get the picture?

The first thing you need to learn is not to lend your ears out to the first "big" guy that you see that sounds that he knows what he's talking about.

Please listen to DJ about the basic cycle.

Did you have blood tests done after your last cycle to see how your liver, kidneys and natural test levels recovered?

You dont have to read much to get to this conclusion either. If you just read about each substance you took you woud know all this.

www.steroid.com/drugprof.php

Ace-of-spades wrote:

one thing that i forgot to add is that ive got my first comp in August. not bodybuilding but very similar. so everything is going in that direction.

when the guy told me that i didnt need test, i also doubted him. coz ive done my fair share of reading up. but still, what did i really know.

my last cycle was all pgw products.
trianabol 2ml twice a week,
tren150 1ml twice a week,
anavar 3 tabs a day from LP.

and i ended in a disaster...
and i dont wanna go down that road again....

I also wanted to hit tren and try this fancy concuctions (fook the spelling is off and i got distinctions for english haha). In the end if i did it hahahaha lets say my gal will be rather misrable without my uhm kitaarsnaar hahaha.

Like DJ said stick to basics, these guys helped me out of the gutter keeping it simple. KISS: KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID :woohoo:

bro the guy u are getting advice from,punch him in the fucking nuts... combining tri anabol and tren is stupid and at 1ml a week of tren? ummmm this oke obviously knows fuck all about designing cycles... testosterone is the safest compound to use,your body produces testosterone naturally,u dont hear of the body producing trenbelone now do u? u are using major anabolic compounds when u could've made better progress using test alone... u are gonna need to bust your ass off if u are gonna compete in august,u are between 20 and 16 weeks out and should be dieting from 12 weeks out latest... so u are gonna have to get your diet to the t otherwise u are going to battle your ass off!

thanks to everyone with all the advise...

everything that i wrote is what i thought up myself,(think i did a better job than the previous guy, but still, as you said, im gonna stick to the basics.

DJ, while browsing some of the other posts i read that you design diet plans and so forth. whould it be possible for you to help me? do i need to PM you?

would it beter if i use the mixture 3times a week with test e and anavar?

i know ive got a long road to full recovery coz my 2nd cycle was stopped due to side-effects. basically wasted half a year. just pissed off that i didnt use my commensense.


thanks again to everyone..

Ace-of-spades wrote:

thanks to everyone with all the advise...

everything that i wrote is what i thought up myself,(think i did a better job than the previous guy, but still, as you said, im gonna stick to the basics.

DJ, while browsing some of the other posts i read that you design diet plans and so forth. whould it be possible for you to help me? do i need to PM you?

would it beter if i use the mixture 3times a week with test e and anavar?

i know ive got a long road to full recovery coz my 2nd cycle was stopped due to side-effects. basically wasted half a year. just pissed off that i didnt use my commensense.


thanks again to everyone..

Bud LEAVE THE MIX, tren ace is not to be messed with. stick to what dj said, you can use the mix on a later stage. You said you had side effect and now you gonna aggrevate the system. begin rather on a clean slate.

Dbol 40mg Ed as kickstart
test E 450-600mg pw
stanzolol optional
and Good pct

Thats my 2c

ok, will leave the mix..

as this will be the first time that i use test in a cycle, is 500-700mg pw enough? or to much?

Ace-of-spades wrote:

ok, will leave the mix..

as this will be the first time that i use test in a cycle, is 500-700mg pw enough? or to much?

i would say 600 mg will be sufficient bud and if you are going to use pgw than it would also be convenient. hitting 1ml mondays and 1 ml thursdays

Well seriously since ur cycles have been in shambles no offense, i would probably go back to basics to a basic cycle that will get you good results.


I would do test en/equipoise and anavar. thats it.

week 1 - 14 > 600mg test en
week 1 - 14 > 400mg equipoise
week 10 - 16 > anavar 60mg per day

PCT will start day after last tab of anavar.

See the wonders of test lol after ur 3rd cycle.

Good luck.

thanks for all the help and info.

does anyone know where i can get a decent personal diet plan? at this stage im open to anything(right thing of course).

Go to contact us in the top right of the screen DJ does diets, but he charges although it is worth it.

I would still appreciate it if you could answer the question is asked yesterday.


Did you have blood tests done after your last cycle to see how your liver, kidneys and natural test levels recovered?

hey vega.
sorry, comp missed that post.

i didnt. i thought about it. but at that stage i was on a post cycle that lasted forever... forgot about it...

Ace-of-spades wrote:

hey vega.
sorry, comp missed that post.

i didnt. i thought about it. but at that stage i was on a post cycle that lasted forever... forgot about it...

Please go for the blood test as you're previous cycle was fairly irresponsible. Just for your safety.

It's not advisable to do another cycle if you have other underlining health issues.

will def do now.
now i hate the guy even more...
except from the side effects. what could the damage be?

Ace-of-spades wrote:

will def do now.
now i hate the guy even more...
except from the side effects. what could the damage be?

what side effects did you experience

i Started with gyno, and acne. soldier wasnt working, and very depro..
went onto letrozol. but due to the fact that there was methadriol in my previous cycle "blocked" everything. neither arimadex nor tamoxifen worked. clomid aggrevated it.
everything was messed up.
luckily i didnt develop any tissue, but its the wors feeling to have something there and you can do jack about it....

ok basically severe shutdown , most unless something out of whack your body will recover from , the gyno, depends if it really set in then unfortunately not so much, i suffered similar fate early on and short of surgery i am stuck with it.

look your young, take this slow, plenty time for fancy cycles but for now stick to the basics , as has been suggested, you will feel better feel healthier and grow like a weed. training and diet is key, through in a little test and its amazing what you can achieve. i use tren and i love it but the sides are not lekker trust me.some of my best cycles have been 600mg week test cyp for 12 weeks and solid pct with clomid and nowdays hcg as well. its cheap it works alot easier to control unwanted sides etc etc.