Enanthate or cyp?

Alrighty... so the time is soon coming for me to start a new cycle

Im looking at a basic bulker, a bit of test and some deca, fronted with dbol.

So the deca im happy with 350mg per week.
The dbol 40mg per day (week 1-4)
The test is where my dilemma lies..... Either cyp or enanthate? What are the mg/ml of the PGW cyp and enanthate?

My prevoius cycles have been Organon Sus (@ 500mg per week) and deca (@300mg per week).
Then Supertest (640mg per week) and equi (350mg per week).
Then my pre-contest of Test prop (150mg EOD) and Winstrol tabs.
So im looking to push the test a bit higher (i've been lucky enough to never get test sides other than acne).
So which is it? Enth or cyp? Having only mainly used combo tests how will the single esters differ?

And also, the question of proviron... Having read much about the positives of proviron in reducing aromatisation and freeing up test on cycle i'd love to add it to my cycle. Now obviously the costs can get prohibitive, so a single tab (25mg) a day would be it. Would this show those benefits and from how early should it be run?

Thanks a million guys, all input appreciated

Oh right my stats are currently round 77kg, 1.79, +-8%bf.
Goal is to get as close to 85kg as possible, and hard by the end (maybe some winnie in the window period, tho i find that my body responds well to test and hardens up bigtime.)

Hi Spike

I would personally go for the enanthate I found the cyp puts on a bit more water than the enanthate and other guys I have spoken to find the same. However they are both as effective as one another. Test is test at the end of the day the only diffrence with a single ester is that it releases into your body a bit slower. Other than that at the end of the day it is the same shit! I used to be a fan of sus myself but after reading alot on all the diffrent types of tests I learned that sus is a bit over rated and in my opinion not really worth the extra bucks. I find I get the same results at the end of the day with a single ester as I would with sus. I am currently using proviron @ 25mg a day for last 2 weeks now and to be honest with you have not found much of a diffrence. I have done a bit of research on it and most of the websites I have visited say the recomended dose to take to get results is 50mg ED so I will be pushing up my dosage and will see what happens. Proviron is dam expensive if you buy it from the pharmacy. I have recently seen schering in pakistan also make proviron and it is like half the price of the one made here in SA try speak to your source to see if they can get you this as this is not sold over the counter in SA. I am going to be buying that from now on

Agree, the Schering is pretty cheap....

I like your cycle here Spike, will be following this thread closely, as i am probably looking to do the same cycle in the future.... Once i have finished Keto.

Hey bud

Pgw enan 300mg/ml
Pgw cyp 250mg/ml

As for which i think it comes down to personal choice. Test e seems to give a little bit less water, but as we all know water weight gain can also be diet depended.

If ur looking to save cash cyp would be a good route and with the extra cash saved u can get more proviron maybe.

Proviron at 50mg ed would be nice, but i dont think u have to do that the whole cycle. Maybe add it the last six weeks with a low dose winny.

How long u wanna run the test?

I am gonna try some pharma grade Cyp in my next cycle. Friend of mine is on 400mg/week and is growing like weeds. Cyp holds a little more water. Just use some A-dex to keep water/estro under control. 750mg Cyp a week should be sweet.

I also didn't know what to expect of Proviron, but my gains stopped, I started using Proviron and one week later I'm up 1.5kg. So I think it works. Running it 40mg/day at the moment. I think just use it in the back end of the cycle 40-100mg/day.

well if u are running the proviron through out the cycle i see no point in going for enanthate over the cyprionate,the proviron will negate the extra water that cyp might give u over the enanthate..and u will save some bucks to spend on your proviron...

Does Proviron not hinder results in a cycle of test????

no it free's up more test to be used by ur body

no it enhances the gains with the testosterone aswell as keeping some of the estrogen based water retention down...makes u harden up a little too...

Alright... Thanks for clearing that up...

@ DJ: i popped you a mail this morn.

k, well so the cyp is a bit cheaper, but then on it my dose will be 750mg per week. On the enanthate i'd be taking 900mg...
The price diff isnt that great, it'll work out to be about the value of a box of proviron. So havent settled on cycle length yet... 3 bottles of test will give me 10 weeks, same as a bottle of deca, then can add one more bottle of test giving me an extra 3 weeks. Then 2 weeks of win before pct...

So it'll look like this...
Test (enth 900 or cyp 750)- week 1-13
Deca 350mg - week 1-10
Winstrol tabs - week 13?-15
Proviron tabs - week 9?-15
Then PCT from week 15
What you guys think?

test week 1-13
provrion 40mg daily week 1-16
winstrol 50mg daily week 10-16
pct week 17 onwards

Eish, thats gonna need a shit load of proviron

I agree.
Just run proviron for last 4-5 weeks.
Bulk is bulk, water and all.
Clean diet will prevent allot of water as well.

I would just keep it simple and straight forward.
Test
Deca
D-Bol
Proviron at the back.

Concentrate more on diet and training to get the most out of the cycle rather than adding all sorts of juice.

spike wrote:

So it'll look like this...
Test (enth 900 or cyp 750)- week 1-13
Deca 350mg - week 1-10
Winstrol tabs - week 13?-15
Proviron tabs - week 9?-15
Then PCT from week 15
What you guys think?

Why the diff in test doses if you use diff esters?

If you use the Test enth at 2.5ml per week you would get 750mg test and could run that close on 12 weeks instead of 10weeks at 900mg. That is under perfect conditions. Might save a little there?

well i was just working on the easiest of 3ml per week of either. So enth at 300mg/ml = 900mg and cyp at 250mg/ml = 750mg.
Dont like doing part mils and stuff, land up confusing myself

Then look at Testoviron. 250mg/ml enanthate and 1ml amps.
3 a week and you won't have anything left over.

lol - yeah can be tricky. I think the cyp250 is pretty good value for money. Ive used it personally and got good results off it and with no pain at all. Dont think you will go wrong with either but id prob go for the cyp.

A jump from 750 - 900 is quite big as well

Ye, it looks very good. That is what i used in my bulk last time and i picked up from 71kg(okay okay..very dry stage weight) to 102kg 2 months later. I am at 7% bf now and weigh in at 88kg. Competing next week and all is well.
I would not do the test e route again as its a waste of money if u could just get the cyp.
Regards

Netro is right about that. If you have only used 500-600mg test before then a jump to 750mg should make a decent difference. You can save the larger dose of 900mg for a later cycle. Higher test = higher sides. Maybe see how it goes at 750mg for now.

Sweet, so 750mg of cyp it is

Agree with Romp3l. Cyp is cheap and nasty and does the job. Enanthate has its place and a personal choice as well since most guys will not see the diff anyways.

On 750, I would go cyp, but 900 would lean me towards the enanthate.

Inject more frequently if you have an issue with water, but your Deca would have to follow the same pattern in injection protocol.