Itchy Nip

Hey guys, I'm on week 3 of my first Dbol/Test Cyp cycle and yesterday I started experiencing some itchiness in my right nipple (don't know if I'm being paranoid). I've been taking Letro at 0.2mg EOD, the Liquid Pharmaceuticals one, that's 2 drops, since about 3 days prior to starting my cycle. Should I up the dose to 0.2mg ED or wait a little longer to see if it persists? I really don't wanna overdo the stuff but I don't wanna aggrivate the existing pubertal gyno I already have either. Any suggestions?

4 drops ed, when the itchyness is gone lower to 3 drops ed for one week, then 2 ed and keep it there.. if itchness not gone within 5 days start nolva right away..

00pump wrote: 4 drops ed, when the itchyness is gone lower to 3 drops ed for one week, then 2 ed and keep it there.. if itchness not gone within 5 days start nolva right away..

Thanks 00pump, I knew I could count on you!
I misread your post last night (well, early hours of this morning) and took 5 drops, the itchiness seems to be a LITTLE bit less today but after training legs this morning my hip and knee joints feel like that of an 80 year old! I'll take 4 drops tomorrow morning again and see how it goes then as per your advice taper back down to 2 ed. Should I then go back to 2 EOD or keep it at 2 ED for the remainder of my cycle just in case?

You seem to be sensitive to estrogen, so keep it at 2ED until you stop the dbol, a week after you stop the dbol you can try switch back to 2 ED..

Take 6 to 9 flaxseed a day and you won't have to worry about the joints.

Thanks 00pump! Yeah, I suspected that I would have some issued with gyno going into this cycle; since puberty I have had a mild case of gyno already; puffy nips with small lumps...fkn hate it but what can you do, hey? Almost finished the dbol, I should be done by Thurs next week so hopefully the issues will be past then. You mentioned in yourt first post that if the itchiness is not gone within 5 days I should start Nolva; does this mean I should stop the cycle and go straight to PCT?

Thanks for the heads-up with the flaxseed, I'll def give that a bash!

No, carry on with the cycle, but Letro is a nasty little bugger to stabalise, well for me anyway... So include the Nolva after day 5 until Letro reaches stable blood levels.

I'm glad I got the Letro now, a lot of people told me to stick with Arimidex as an AI because Letro is so strong. I've got some Nolva on hand for PCT, will add some in if the itchiness isn't gone in the next 4 or 5 days then just order another bottle for my pct. Thanks a lot bro, you're a lifesaver!

Sorry 00pump, just to clear things up, do I keep going with the Letro at 4 drops ED and if the itchiness isn't gone by day 5 I ADD in the Nolva and carry on with the Letro at 4 drops ED until itchiness goes away then stop the Nolvadex and drop the Letro down to 3 drops for a week, etc, as per the protocol you outlined above? Just wasn't sure about how to figure the Nolva in there exactly. Shot man!

Ye, play around with that, but if the tingly itchy feeling isn't gone by day 5, take Nolva ASAP...

Thanks again, man, very much appreciated!

Ye, this was a great damn answer. I had that, was on my pct, busy with the pregnil and had a left nip itch, took 10 drops letro and started takin 2 tblsppons flaxseedx 3 ED for 2 weeks and prob fixed hey. Was lucky to have(meaning DJ told me to have on hand..hehe) some letro on hand.
I dont have much other prob with letro tho, i love the stuff.
Regards

Romp3L, how long did it take for the itch to go away? So you were taking 1mg Letro ED? I'm assuming you were also using the Liquid Pharm one which is about 0.1mg per drop. The itch is a bit better today, I also think a lot of it is in my head because I'm kak scared of making my gyno worse. Nips look a bit puffier than before but this could also be my imagination. Did you also get the puffiness and did it go away after a while on the increased Letro dose?

It went away after first day of 1mg. Yes, LP letro. I have slight gyno since puberty. When ur younger, it dont bother u, but after u start competing u are like...hmmm...damn, wtf is that. lol
Wil prob get it cut out some time if i got the cash. but for now i take letro and pray to the gods of bodybuilding to remove the fat around the nipple. If u however keep the diet clean and lose bf and keep it down, it goes away almost completely.

Regards

Jeez, that's quick...well I'm on day 5 now of using 4 drops ED from my original 2 drops EOD that I was using from the beginning of my cycle and I was just about to start on the Nolva but it seems to be getting better, itchiness isn't nearly as persistent and the swelling seems to be back to normal.

I know what you mean, bud...pubertal gyno is really shit, I only took notice and actually learned what it was when I got into bodybuilding (at a relatively late age, 24 years old!) and by then I'd had it for over 10 years already. I've thought of trying a course of Letro once I've recovered properly from this cycle to try and reduce the gyno but it's not really the lumps that are a problem, they're quite small; it's the swelling/fat around the nipple. I'm really hoping that once I've cut my bf% down to 10% or less, it will be much less noticeable. Until then I just have to give them a quick pinch everytime before I take my shirt off in public...hahaha

Not to be funny, but it's impossible for in increase in Letro dose to work after 1 day of ramping it up... The feeling could have gone away but not even increasing it by the next day, but I do not feel it was the Letro that could have done that...

Devil: That type of gyno can be 'reduced' but never removed... It isn't normal fat tissue, it looks like chewed up pieces of shrimp. Water and some fat store can be reduced, but thats about it.. And 2.5 mg of Letro a day for 10 years will not remove a hard lump.. How can 'reduction' in estrogen do this? From a plastic surgeon point of view it is impossible.. So us juice guys can think we know more than these specialists but end of the day, once its onset its there to stay...

I have tried 2.5mg of Letro for 90 days, I have tried in the past Nolva up to 80mg a day, I have tried Adex at 2mg a day, I have tried Sculp Gel, lowering body fat, diet, you name it...

Going for the 3rd surgery in December...

I agree with the points you've made there, 00pump...the problem in my case though doesn't really seem to be the solid masses (they lie flat against my pec muscles and I can only really feel them there when I pull them) but some sort of water retention or fat behind the nipples which gives them an ugly, puffy look. If I could just get rid of that I'd be very happy but my big worry with my cycle, is making the solid masses bigger. Surely estrogen control will help get rid of those fat and water deposits? I'm by no means claiming to be an expert at all, I'm quite new to all of this, but if I think about it theoretically it should at least help a little in my case?

00pump wrote:
Going for the 3rd surgery in December...

That sounds fkn expensive, but I might just go that route one day when I have some cash. It sucks when you work so hard on your training and diet but you have this one thing screwing up your physique.

Devildriver wrote: I agree with the points you've made there, 00pump...the problem in my case though doesn't really seem to be the solid masses (they lie flat against my pec muscles and I can only really feel them there when I pull them) but some sort of water retention or fat behind the nipples which gives them an ugly, puffy look. If I could just get rid of that I'd be very happy but my big worry with my cycle, is making the solid masses bigger. Surely estrogen control will help get rid of those fat and water deposits? I'm by no means claiming to be an expert at all, I'm quite new to all of this, but if I think about it theoretically it should at least help a little in my case?

Correct it can help with water and some basic fat tissue, but a lump? not a chance.. And whats worse is the more you play with it, you actually raise prolactin levels, so don't mess with it, just leave it alone...

Devildriver wrote:

00pump wrote:
Going for the 3rd surgery in December...

That sounds fkn expensive, but I might just go that route one day when I have some cash. It sucks when you work so hard on your training and diet but you have this one thing screwing up your physique.

Correct it is pretty expensive and a crap recovery... Anyway, the trick is to find the right cycle that you can stick with, the perfect dose of Adex/ Letro / Aromasin, etc... And keep that cycle the same, don't play around with different compounds when you have it waxed.. then look at having the surgery done..

My body is in nice way telling me to get stuffed... I may look at the end of this year and the last time I use gear as it's becoming a pain to handle.. So I will rather just live on hGH only and do a few IGF cycles with that..

00pump wrote:
Correct it can help with water and some basic fat tissue, but a lump? not a chance.. And whats worse is the more you play with it, you actually raise prolactin levels, so don't mess with it, just leave it alone...

Play with it as in squeeze it and shit or as in throwing AI's at it to get it to go away?

00pump wrote:

Devildriver wrote:

00pump wrote:
Going for the 3rd surgery in December...

That sounds fkn expensive, but I might just go that route one day when I have some cash. It sucks when you work so hard on your training and diet but you have this one thing screwing up your physique.

Correct it is pretty expensive and a crap recovery... Anyway, the trick is to find the right cycle that you can stick with, the perfect dose of Adex/ Letro / Aromasin, etc... And keep that cycle the same, don't play around with different compounds when you have it waxed.. then look at having the surgery done..

My body is in nice way telling me to get stuffed... I may look at the end of this year and the last time I use gear as it's becoming a pain to handle.. So I will rather just live on hGH only and do a few IGF cycles with that..

Yeah, I was looking at doing a second cycle toward the end of the year with some more Test Cyp and maybe some Equi but I'm a bit scared of pushing it with stacking now. Maybe just up my Test dose slightly next time and drop the dbol as I thnk that's probably the biggest culprit here. Thankfully I'm taking the last of the dbol tomorrow so that should help a bit.

hGH is scary stuff IMO, but on the upside you keep those gains no matter what!

Devildriver wrote:

00pump wrote:
Correct it can help with water and some basic fat tissue, but a lump? not a chance.. And whats worse is the more you play with it, you actually raise prolactin levels, so don't mess with it, just leave it alone...

Play with it as in squeeze it and shit or as in throwing AI's at it to get it to go away?

Touching it etc.. Think of a baby, a mother can constantly produce milk if the nipple is squeezed, etc... The same is true with men, some people play so much with their nipples they start to lactate...

I hear what you're saying; a friend of mine at the gym was telling me about a guy he knows who has that lactation problem, scary stuff!!

I guess my woman is gonna be pretty pissed when I tell her that the crocodile clips and car battery games are going to have to become things of the past now, hey...hahaha

EQ converts at half the rate of testosterone however I do get problems with it.. For you safety provails would rather be better to use a very low dose of EQ 350mg a week or rather stack Primo with it which will not convert at any dose.

Remember the problem when you 'suppress' too much estrogen your body will actually fight to and start to release high endo estrogen to find some sort of balance, so taking something that binds to the ER will not in theory help.. If you reduce SHBG too much this is where the problem comes in... So in theory maybe Proviron could be the answer here if you looking at trying to treat gyno.. Its an experiment I have tried and failed..

00pump wrote: Not to be funny, but it's impossible for in increase in Letro dose to work after 1 day of ramping it up... The feeling could have gone away but not even increasing it by the next day, but I do not feel it was the Letro that could have done that...

I know what u saying pump. I was on fairly high dose,13 drops ED for about 4 weeks, then taperd down fast to 5 drops in 1 week and then off for about 3 weeks and felt the slight itch in the left and took the dosage and it was gone the next day.
It is what made it go away, i didnt change anything.
Regards