Question for Pyro

Since you mentioned you have a lot of knowledge to share and all we need to do is ask, here goes.

My girl and I are both looking to lose a few kg's and we are looking at using fat burners.
I have used clen before and can say that its a great compound, my girlfriend however does not like it.

So what would you recommend?

FFF works the best for those who find stimulants too harsh. She might even find FFF too harsh then she can take it with food, which affects absorption and therefore she gets less sides. As a rule fatburners are not necessary for fat loss, so if she decides against fatburners that is also fine. Is she sensitive to caffeine?

I help gladly man.

Thanx for the reply.

She just doesn't like the clen jitters, ephedrine is fine, but no she's not sensitive to caffeine.
What can I use clen + yohimbe?

I know fat burners aren't necessary but I'm stuck with my diet?

Your stuck with your diet ? lol ....

Sorry Oupa that was stated a bit weird, ok here's my diet

Meal1: 25g Whey, 30g peanut butter

Meal2: 200g lean meat, 1 cup broccoli

Meal3: 200g lean meat, 1 cup broccoli

Meal4: 200g lean meat, 75g brown rice

Meal5: 50g whey (Post workout)

Meal6: 200g lean meat, 75g brown rice

Meal7: 25g Whey, 30g peanut butter

A rough estimate on the total:

250g protein from protein sources
115g carbs from carb sources
32.88g fat from fat sources

Total calories: 2140

I used to have olive oil with my two meat and broccoli meals but I removed it as an attempt to drop calories

Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

No I don't feel tired all the time

Age: 25
Height: 189
Weight: 118
BF: Around 15%

I train 5-6 times a week, 4 of them are weight training, legs & calves, Chest & Triceps, Shoulders & Biceps, Back & abs.

Then I try to get in 2 morning sessions which consists of 20 min cardio and +- 40min complex training.

If I'm not mistaken my maintenance calories should be around 3800

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Being tired means your body is under stress and stress is the Ebola of weight loss. Ofcourse there are a million variables as to why your body is stressed. For bodybuilders areas to focus on are:

1. You are not getting enough quality sleep (you don't say..)
2. You are sick
3. Your environment is stressful e.g divorce, work, etc
4. Your training is too intense for your calories, which runs parallel to..
5. You are not eating enough calories to keep up with your training intensity
6. You are not resting enough and this in particular taxes the CNS.

Before the pedant police go nuts, I know this list is small and there is something important you are thinking of. I can list another 50 reasons from the top of my head but this is just a short list.

Trarex wrote: No I don't feel tired all the time

Age: 25
Height: 189
Weight: 118
BF: Around 15%

I train 5-6 times a week, 4 of them are weight training, legs & calves, Chest & Triceps, Shoulders & Biceps, Back & abs.

Then I try to get in 2 morning sessions which consists of 20 min cardio and +- 40min complex training.

If I'm not mistaken my maintenance calories should be around 3800

Trarex the above post is meant for you. If your stats are true then you should be a monster and you cannot train the way you do and eat under your BMR. You are putting your body under mega stress which means all the exercise is counter-productive. Wha you should do is start at 500 calories under maintenance. Then if you are losing in the range of 0.5-1kg a week you know you are right.

I know my calories are a bit low, thats why I'm considering keto, my body does no respond good to carbs when I'm not on cycle.

Whats wrong with my training, and do you think I should do keto, I have done TKD before with great results?

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Being tired means your body is under stress and stress is the Ebola of weight loss. Ofcourse there are a million variables as to why your body is stressed. For bodybuilders areas to focus on are:

1. You are not getting enough quality sleep (you don't say..)
2. You are sick
3. Your environment is stressful e.g divorce, work, etc
4. Your training is too intense for your calories, which runs parallel to..
5. You are not eating enough calories to keep up with your training intensity
6. You are not resting enough and this in particular taxes the CNS.

Before the pedant police go nuts, I know this list is small and there is something important you are thinking of. I can list another 50 reasons from the top of my head but this is just a short list.

Thanks for the info... Pretty stressed at the moment work is nuts... Hopefully it calms down soon...

Trarex wrote: I know my calories are a bit low, thats why I'm considering keto, my body does no respond good to carbs when I'm not on cycle.

Whats wrong with my training, and do you think I should do keto, I have done TKD before with great results?

Yes definately!!!!!!!

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Being tired means your body is under stress and stress is the Ebola of weight loss. Ofcourse there are a million variables as to why your body is stressed. For bodybuilders areas to focus on are:

1. You are not getting enough quality sleep (you don't say..)
2. You are sick
3. Your environment is stressful e.g divorce, work, etc
4. Your training is too intense for your calories, which runs parallel to..
5. You are not eating enough calories to keep up with your training intensity
6. You are not resting enough and this in particular taxes the CNS.

Before the pedant police go nuts, I know this list is small and there is something important you are thinking of. I can list another 50 reasons from the top of my head but this is just a short list.

Thanks for the info... Pretty stressed at the moment work is nuts... Hopefully it calms down soon...

Hope it gets better man! On the bright side exercising is great for stress and releases a ship-ton of endorphins, as long as you don't overdo it.

This is just a quickly drawn up keto idea, please tell me what you think pyro

Cals: 3191
Protein from protein sources: 252g 31.58%
Total fat: 227g 64%
Total Carbs: 35g 4.38%

Meal1: 25g Whey, 40g Macademia
Meal2: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal3: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal4: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal5: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal6: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal7: 25g Whey, 40g Macademia

2 cups broccoli that will be split between Meals 2 - 6

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Being tired means your body is under stress and stress is the Ebola of weight loss. Ofcourse there are a million variables as to why your body is stressed. For bodybuilders areas to focus on are:

1. You are not getting enough quality sleep (you don't say..)
2. You are sick
3. Your environment is stressful e.g divorce, work, etc
4. Your training is too intense for your calories, which runs parallel to..
5. You are not eating enough calories to keep up with your training intensity
6. You are not resting enough and this in particular taxes the CNS.

Before the pedant police go nuts, I know this list is small and there is something important you are thinking of. I can list another 50 reasons from the top of my head but this is just a short list.

Thanks for the info... Pretty stressed at the moment work is nuts... Hopefully it calms down soon...

Hope it gets better man! On the bright side exercising is great for stress and releases a ship-ton of endorphins, as long as you don't overdo it.

Sorry about the highjack...

I've been checking out some supps and stuff to help with cortisol management. My "symptoms" are pointing towards stress related high cortisol levels. I'm a software dev and our company worked on a "get it done ASAP" mentality for a long while... meaning long hours... and lots of pressure.

Going to phone the doc and get some blood tests done and see if I can get some help managing this. I'm depressed and moody and tired all the time.

Trarex wrote: This is just a quickly drawn up keto idea, please tell me what you think pyro

Cals: 3191
Protein from protein sources: 252g 31.58%
Total fat: 227g 64%
Total Carbs: 35g 4.38%

Meal1: 25g Whey, 40g Macademia
Meal2: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal3: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal4: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal5: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal6: 200g Lean Meat, 2 Tablespoons olive oil
Meal7: 25g Whey, 40g Macademia

2 cups broccoli that will be split between Meals 2 - 6

Keto is more complicated than simply eating meat + omega oil. There is a sticky on the keto diet where I give some cool ideas on how to go about it. Read that, set up a new diet and get back to me.

For your wife, caffeine is the wonder supplement she is looking for.

Pyro are you referring to this sticky anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-dieting-...957-sample-keto-diet ??

So she should see great results from eca, if the ephedrine isn't too strong for her?

Yes that's the one bud. Normally you should try many products to see which ones work for you, so your wife can try the ECA stack. Most of the times ECA is not kind with the sides, so don't expect too much.

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

Warrenpridgeon wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Stats, BMR, RMR? How intense is your training? Post your training please. Dp you feel very tired all the time?

The tiredness question got my attention... I tried eating a very calorie controlled diet a while back... for like a whole month and I never even lost one KG. Has tiredness got something to do with it? or is it a symptom of a different problem which makes weightloss harder?

Being tired means your body is under stress and stress is the Ebola of weight loss. Ofcourse there are a million variables as to why your body is stressed. For bodybuilders areas to focus on are:

1. You are not getting enough quality sleep (you don't say..)
2. You are sick
3. Your environment is stressful e.g divorce, work, etc
4. Your training is too intense for your calories, which runs parallel to..
5. You are not eating enough calories to keep up with your training intensity
6. You are not resting enough and this in particular taxes the CNS.

Before the pedant police go nuts, I know this list is small and there is something important you are thinking of. I can list another 50 reasons from the top of my head but this is just a short list.

Thanks for the info... Pretty stressed at the moment work is nuts... Hopefully it calms down soon...

Hope it gets better man! On the bright side exercising is great for stress and releases a ship-ton of endorphins, as long as you don't overdo it.

Sorry about the highjack...

I've been checking out some supps and stuff to help with cortisol management. My "symptoms" are pointing towards stress related high cortisol levels. I'm a software dev and our company worked on a "get it done ASAP" mentality for a long while... meaning long hours... and lots of pressure.

Going to phone the doc and get some blood tests done and see if I can get some help managing this. I'm depressed and moody and tired all the time.

Get some bloods done, post it on the forum with all names blanked out and let MA and myself have a look at it.

Maybe I'm missing something but all I can see on that keto topic is that there is one meal that only has protein and two meal containing only fat?

The diet in the first post is just a very rough draft of what a keto diet might look like. It just gives you an idea. Read through the thread and you will see some cool ideas more in the later posts.

Dude, maybe I'm slow today, but all I can see there is that you should not have too much protein as it can cause glucogenesis.

And in another thread you said you should aim for 2g protein * kg bodyweight, so thats the 1st problem I can see with my diet.

Trarex wrote: Dude, maybe I'm slow today, but all I can see there is that you should not have too much protein as it can cause glucogenesis.

And in another thread you said you should aim for 2g protein * kg bodyweight, so thats the 1st problem I can see with my diet.

100% right!

Ok but thats -20g protein so it's not that big of a difference, thats still 236g protein