Brand Comparison question

Just a quick question, re brand quality. I am still new at this,

I just started with EU Pharma, but due to shortage of stock, I also bought from the VMed brand.

Today I Googled a bit, and see that the brand Keifei is also available.

Which of these are better in quality ? I will also keep reading, and Google some more on the Keifei side, which is new to me.

TIA

Colt

I had some experience with both EU and Vmed. For some reason the EU Test did not agree with me. It gave me serious high blood pressure 24 hours after injecting and I was injecting only 50mg EOD. After 3 weeks got bloodwork and my Testosterone levels were through the roof so I am not concerned about there being low doses in that batch of EU test. The high blood pressure I got is probably an allergic reaction to a carrier oil used in their products. I tried Pfizer and PGW and they work fantastic and no high blood pressure. So it was for sure something in the EU mixture.

Regarding Vmed, not impressed at all. I bought 2 vials Sustanon and ended up throwing the second vial away at half way through the bottle. I took 3 injections a week total started 2 weeks as 375mg a week, NOTHING, bumped up to 500mg a week for 3 weeks, NOTHING, took 750mg a week for 2 or 3 weeks I think and still nothing, and as a note I have never in my life taken any more than 500mg of any test a week. I found it utter garbage, maybe others here had a good experience but the Vmed batch I got was rubbish.

Never used Keifei and don’t know anyone personally who has.

Hope this helps

prohunt wrote: Regarding Vmed, not impressed at all. I bought 2 vials Sustanon and ended up throwing the second vial away at half way through the bottle. I took 3 injections a week total started 2 weeks as 375mg a week, NOTHING, bumped up to 500mg a week for 3 weeks, NOTHING, took 750mg a week for 2 or 3 weeks I think and still nothing, and as a note I have never in my life taken any more than 500mg of any test a week. I found it utter garbage, maybe others here had a good experience but the Vmed batch I got was rubbish.

Hope this helps

Oh no, and I just bought the VMed. Oh well, I can't back out now, lets see.

Thank you so much for your reply. I appreciate any and all advice.

Thank you

Interesting about the blood pressure. There can be various reason for high blood pressure.

I have high blood pressure, taking meds for it, but all due to stress and overworking. We all have to pay for the food on our table, and we do what we must, we can't be picky.

My parents also have high blood pressure, so it might be in the family as well. But with meds, we are all doing good I think. My parents seem to cope really well.

I’m not saying in any way that the EU will do that to you at all. Know a lot of guys who swear by it and use no other brands. Me personally it does not agree with.

Vmed I have heard quite a few complaints about and had my own crappy money wasting experience.

After my blood pressure issue I took time off gear to get my blood back to normal before starting the Pfizer Test as TRT and I’m 100% now. Personally for me I would not go on any gear that I have not used before knowing my blood pressure is high normally. I would get that fixed before cycling up. But again I am no doctor and there are lots of guys here that will be able to advise you much better regarding your blood pressure meds and gear. With that I cannot help.

Wish you all the best, and if you do end up cycling please post your reviews of the EU and Vmed if you notice something, or nothing

prohunt wrote: I’m not saying in any way that the EU will do that to you at all. Know a lot of guys who swear by it and use no other brands. Me personally it does not agree with.

I hear you. Thank you so much.

Hey Colt. I've only had experience with Eu HGH. It gave me weird anxiety and this happened twice when i purchased my second batch as well which was weird. Threw a few drops on a pregnancy test and it came out positive so looks like i was injecting HCG all the time who knows hey. Was also going to try Vmed but thanks to you guys i won't be doing that anymore. Looking into trying black series tho.

Mr Z wrote: Looking into trying black series tho.

Oh yes, I forgot about that one. It was also one of my options. I will definitely read some more.

Thank you

Keifei is "one of the best" Brands of Injectables i have used. Be careful of fake ones. Check your serials.

Trust your source.

Oupa wrote: Keifei is "one of the best" Brands of Injectables i have used. Be careful of fake ones. Check your serials.

Trust your source.

Thank you Oupa !!

prohunt wrote: After my blood pressure issue I took time off gear to get my blood back to normal before starting the Pfizer Test as TRT and I’m 100% now.

I am going on my 7th year of TRT now. I'm still battling to find a doctor that I am happy with.

Please tell me more about the Pfizer Test ... how much, what dosage ?

I was on Depo Testo for a while. Then Nebido, but the urologist couldn't get my levels stable (don't want to bore you with the details).
Then a Testo cream that you apply daily, which didn't work for me.

Pfizer is the Depo Testosterone and works great. Expensive for MG per ML but at least you know exactly what the dose is on each shot. I found it great for TRT but can get expensive for blasting. Dosages will vary person to person but to keep my blood levels high normal and stable I found that 35mg EOD for me works best. This is what works for me and I’m happy with the results.

prohunt wrote: Pfizer is the Depo Testosterone

Ok, got you.

My GP injected me, if I remember correct, 200mg, every 2 weeks.
In week 1, I would feel the climb, and in week 2, I would feel the drop. Then I couldn't wait for my next injection.

That was quite a while ago, but I think the numbers are correct.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. I still have a lot to figure out. I read as much as I can. And Youtube is also a big help, with pro bodybuilders, and doctors, giving their advice.


I need to focus more now on
- brand
- product
- half life

Meaning, there are different "testos" out there, so which one to chose.

I currently use one with a half life of 15 days, which I inject every 2 weeks (300mg) ... still testing the water with this one.

Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate it.

Sorry. I realized I am going off topic now.

My apologies.

Mr Z wrote: Hey Colt. I've only had experience with Eu HGH. It gave me weird anxiety and this happened twice when i purchased my second batch as well which was weird. Threw a few drops on a pregnancy test and it came out positive so looks like i was injecting HCG all the time who knows hey. Was also going to try Vmed but thanks to you guys i won't be doing that anymore. Looking into trying black series tho.

Wow, for the HCG. Thank you for sharing.

The 2 brands I currently use, are EU Pharma, and VMed. Lets see.

Mr Z wrote: Hey Colt. I've only had experience with Eu HGH. It gave me weird anxiety and this happened twice when i purchased my second batch as well which was weird. Threw a few drops on a pregnancy test and it came out positive so looks like i was injecting HCG all the time who knows hey. Was also going to try Vmed but thanks to you guys i won't be doing that anymore. Looking into trying black series tho.

PS. thought I should share this.

What does hCG do to a man ?

In men, doctors prescribe hCG to combat the symptoms of hypogonadism, such as low testosterone and infertility. It can help the body increase production of testosterone and increase sperm production, which can reduce infertility.

You need to start injecting at least twice a week to get stable levels of T in your system. Once a week, let alone longer than that, you have a big spike then start coming down and way too low before your next pin. Nearly everyone is doing at least 2 shots a week, I’m EOD and it’s great.

For example you pin 300mg now and half life is say 8 days. That means a week from today you only have around 150mg in your system, and you can half that again for the next 7 days until your next shot. You are putting your body on a hormonal rollercoaster and not healthy at all. Try pinning 2 times a week for at least 3 weeks and you will notice a difference. The main thing is getting a good brand for TRT that is not underdosed, meaning the UGL will be tricky to use for TRT as you don’t know the actual dose. Get some Pfizer testosterone and start low and work your way up. I made the mistake of starting high dose and working down. This game takes time to figure which dose of which product works best for TRT.

For me it has been 4 months and I only now know my dose. Example I would do ,depending on your bloodwork how low your T and all the other values are right now along with age and weight, is start at 150mg a week for 6 weeks and do bloodwork again, if your T is too high drop to 100mg a week and repeat step 1. Most common procedures are to work in 50mg doses up and down. And 150mg is a great number to start on as most people fall between 100mg and 200mg a week.

But bud your Bloodwork is much more important to know where you are rather than Broscience the doses.

To get the best result for you why done you post your latest bloodwork on a new topic under the steroids section, add your age height and weight as well as previous anabolic cycles and experience you had and see what the big boys here have to say. They helped me here as I took their advice after they looked at my bloodwork and I’m doing great now thanks to the guys here.

prohunt wrote: 1. For example you pin 300mg now and half life is say 8 days. That means a week from today you only have around 150mg in your system, and you can half that again for the next 7 days until your next shot. You are putting your body on a hormonal rollercoaster and not healthy at all.


2. This game takes time to figure which dose of which product works best for TRT.

For me it has been 4 months and I only now know my dose.


3. But bud your Bloodwork is much more important to know where you are rather than Broscience the doses.

To get the best result for you why done you post your latest bloodwork on a new topic under the steroids section, add your age height and weight as well as previous anabolic cycles and experience you had and see what the big boys here have to say. They helped me here as I took their advice after they looked at my bloodwork and I’m doing great now thanks to the guys here.

Thank you. Yes, you are so right.

1. That is almost the same principle as Nebido, just over a shorter period. The Urologist (my 2nd doctor) loves Nebido, that is his first choice. But in the end, I spiked and fell just over longer periods, and that really throws you into depression.

I enjoyed the Depo Testo, which worked quicker, but it was also frustrating, GP injecting me every 14 days.

What you say, makes complete sense - more stability. That's one thing I learnt over the last 6 years plus.


2. Yes, it takes time. It is my 7th year now, and I am tired of the doctor / spike-fall issue. My doctors even disagree about how I should be injected. It is frustrating, sitting on the patient side of the desk, being the guinea pig.

This year I want to give myself a chance, using what I learnt from the previous 6 years.


3. The bloodwork, also so true. I will go for new bloodwork again. I don't want to bore you with my last 6 years, popping in every 8 / 9 / 10 / 12 weeks, depending on how the doctor feels. That is true misery. You tell the doctor you feel aweful, and he tells you to wait for the next text.

For example: I crashed in 2014.

We started the Nebido at 12 week intervals. I crashed again, back in hospital. Then we moved the injections to 8 weeks, then 7 weeks, then 6 weeks. Then suddenly the doctor changes it to 9 weeks, and I crash again.

I will get the bloodwork done. You are very correct on that.

Thank you

Just a pleasure, we are all here to help each other and there are still many many things the guys here can teach me and I’m open to learn more and more from my piers

So far I have only used EU Pharma, and VMed. We only learn from experience, and experience takes time.

Today I ordered my first product from UPA, so lets see how it goes.

A question I've been wanting to ask for a while:


VMed ... "made in China"

Is "made in China" something I should be concerned about ?

Colt wrote: So far I have only used EU Pharma, and VMed. We only learn from experience, and experience takes time.

Today I ordered my first product from UPA, so lets see how it goes.

What did you order from the UPA brand? I got clomid and the tablets look old. Been a week on 100mg and no side effects and usually 50mg clomid a day hits me hard with the side effects so I assume this is a bad batch or heavily under dosed. Won't be using this brand again.

Mr Z wrote: What did you order from the UPA brand? I got clomid and the tablets look old. Been a week on 100mg and no side effects and usually 50mg clomid a day hits me hard with the side effects so I assume this is a bad batch or heavily under dosed. Won't be using this brand again.

Oops. So sorry to hear.


I ordered their "Ultimate Testosterone 500". Will give you feedback in the weeks to come.

Colt wrote:

Mr Z wrote: What did you order from the UPA brand? I got clomid and the tablets look old. Been a week on 100mg and no side effects and usually 50mg clomid a day hits me hard with the side effects so I assume this is a bad batch or heavily under dosed. Won't be using this brand again.

Oops. So sorry to hear.

I ordered their "Ultimate Testosterone 500". Will give you feedback in the weeks to come.

I think this Covid thing is messing all the companies around. I placed this order the 30th. They use Aramex, so normally I get it overnight, or when busy, the 2nd day.


I only received this one now, today at 4pm. That is 4 working days since order.


It is so sad. So many companies, and good people, are battling now with this Covid mess. Makes me so depressed today, I am trying not to think about Lockdown, but today that is ALL I think about.

Colt wrote:

Colt wrote:

Mr Z wrote: What did you order from the UPA brand? I got clomid and the tablets look old. Been a week on 100mg and no side effects and usually 50mg clomid a day hits me hard with the side effects so I assume this is a bad batch or heavily under dosed. Won't be using this brand again.

Oops. So sorry to hear.

I ordered their "Ultimate Testosterone 500". Will give you feedback in the weeks to come.

I think this Covid thing is messing all the companies around. I placed this order the 30th. They use Aramex, so normally I get it overnight, or when busy, the 2nd day.


I only received this one now, today at 4pm. That is 4 working days since order.


It is so sad. So many companies, and good people, are battling now with this Covid mess. Makes me so depressed today, I am trying not to think about Lockdown, but today that is ALL I think about.

Yeah man the same this side. The part that makes me sad is that I have to depend on my wife to provide for us now as her company is still running. Fuck this Lockdown and fuck the politicians too