Medicinal mushrooms(reishii, cordyceps and lionsmane)

Shroom Wizard wrote:

Yes that's what I mean , so just a heads up you might feel some anxiety and maybe a little noxious ,just relax lie comfortable on the couch or bed and let it , play some nice chilling music and let the shrooms guide you , please give feedback
 

So, Saturday

Ended up just doing a few home made burgers as the weather didnt allow for a braai, Didnt eat too much, but ate enough to be polite.
No booze consumed.

About 4 hours after eating, we dropped the kids off at the grandparents and went home, I measured out 1.8g of the Golden Teacher Psilocybe cubensis mushroom and downed it with some warm water and honey. 

After about 20-30minutes it started to affect me, But not quite what i was expecting. Not sure what i was hoping/wanting... But it felt more like the tail end of a good drinking session. Id say about 2 bottles of wine/12 beers session. Nothing major, but I sure as hell would have called up an ex I went further. Also there was a little nausea , But nothing that made me even consider hugging the old white elephant in the bathroom

Wife went to bath, while i listened to some music, Mainly slower alternative stuff, Felt very tired, very relaxed. I wanna say like 2% paralysed, I had to conciously keep my jaw closed, arm didnt feel comfy on my stomach etc (I was reclined on my lazyboy)

We then watched John wick, and i slept.. slept well enough (Once again no different than a booze session) and sunday morning was a bit of a fight to get out of bed. I could easily have done another 2hours but the gym was calling


Overall, I know i went low dose, But Its not really a magical fix all, as mentioned in the post. But it has been experienced. 
I dont wanna do a trip like Homer Simpson had when he at the really hot chilli, But Something other than a booze buzz would have been nice 

Reading from your posts previously I take it youre like me quit a big man ,Correct me if Im wrong,and maybe 1,8 too low for you should maybe consider higher dosage next time if you want to do a next one , I would also suggest trying micro dosing in a week time just for a month and see how mood changes etc

Yeah at the moment im floating between 145 and 148kgs

The reference site said 1.8 for a low dose.

will micro the rest, i got 8 capsules. 300mg each,

When you trying the next one in maybe 2 -3 months do a 4g on you size that would still be a moderate dosage, micro dosing yes 1 every 3-4 days in the morning .Micro dosing is like dieting or gyming , you dnt always notice the changes but everyone around you does

so 4g @140kg and 1.9m good ?

How would you microdose 300mg capsules at my stats EO4D 300mg?

Good morning Oupa,

Yes 4g at you stats as in my opinion perfect specially if its the Golden Teachers strain you're using.

Companies like Dischem and Heath Shops genarally sell a blend of Reishi & Lions mane mixed with other cordyceps in the capsules where other suppliers do a a blend of Psilocybin in there capsules, it's essential to understand the potency of the specific mushrooms used to create the capsules. If you are working with 300 mg capsules for micro-dosing, you could follow a schedule like the Every Other Day (EO4D) protocol. This means taking a 300 mg capsule every other day for several weeks, then taking a break to assess the effects and potential benefits. It's important to note that individual responses to micro-dosing can vary, so you may need to adjust the dosage or frequency based on your personal experience. Different mushroom strains and batches can vary in potency. Starting with a lower dose and assessing your response is generally recommended. You may want to consider starting with a lower dose, such as 300mg, to gauge your sensitivity and response before adjusting the dosage. It's important to approach micro dosing responsibly and attentively. Keep track of your experiences, observe any changes in mood, cognition, or overall well-being, and make adjustments as needed

I forgot to mention, I'm a Pharmacist by profession. I hate that meds are prescribed (and demanded as well) way too much.

My fear is that there are several people with issues who look to Psychedelics as a "magic bullet".

It does not work that way and I reiterate, expert guidance is needed. I mentioned the "Shamans' because although they attach a religious/spiritual meaning to the journey, they are fully aware of what you will experience and how to best guide you through it so as to improve the facets of your life that are affecting you. You will introspect in ways and deeper than ever before. It doesn't end there, you also have to make changes to your life and unprepared, you may come out worse. A lot worse.

I know there are places like you said that charge a fortune. They are purely snake oil salesman making a quick buck in a market desperate for alternates. The legit guys will be attached to a reputable research unit of a top university and have medical as well as esoteric staff on hand.

Guys like Joe Rogan extoll psychedelic therapy but remember, he's done it under expert guidance and also advocates such.

Also important to note for first timers, if you're buying a bag of shrooms and not the microdosing capsules, the cap of the mushroom generally is much more potent than the stalks, so if you are weighing out smaller portions be sure to mix it up well for consistent dosing. 

Cyclo wrote:

expert guidance is needed.

Please define what you consider an "expert".

Cyclo wrote:

You will introspect in ways and deeper than ever before. It doesn't end there, you also have to make changes to your life and unprepared, you may come out worse. A lot worse.

I know there are places like you said that charge a fortune. They are purely snake oil salesman making a quick buck in a market desperate for alternates. The legit guys will be attached to a reputable research unit of a top university and have medical as well as esoteric staff on hand.


 

 Cyclo I agree about stressing the importance of doing mushrooms responsibly and value your input. But I would be careful not to use blanket statements bunching all psychedelics in the same bag with the same risk profile. Saying that you might come of the experience a lot worse seems like over-exaggerated, fear mongering.  Let's put things into perspective. Realistically the chance of long term adverse psychological effects from shrooms is ridiculously miniscule, even if one goes about taking it like a real idiot. Certainly not from any of the doses anyone here has recommended. 

Legit guys attached to reputable research unit from a university with medical staff on hand? What are you on about mate? This is South Africa, where it's illegal to possess and use, and only Stellenbosch University was recently given approval for limited psilocybin related studies. What makes a researcher from a university a better guide for a psychedelic experience than a mature friend with a lot of experience with psychedelics?

We're talking about microdosing or using normal measured dose of shrooms. The risk:benefit profile presented here should be based on facts, particularly when advice is coming from guys in related Science fields. We're not talking about DMT, ayahuasca or heroic LSD doses which would be a different story.

 
An interesting study on negative experiences after taking shrooms resulting in seeking of medical treatment. The data analysed is from the 2017 Global Drug Survey where 12,500 responded that they had used mushrooms in the last year. 

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9353971/

The TLDR:
- Out of 9233 past year magic mushroom users, 19 reported having sought emergency medical treatment, with a per event risk estimate of 0.06%, or ±1 in 1800 

- 26.9% of respondents said they previously been diagnosed with a mental health condition prior to taking mushrooms in the last year (depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, psychosis, or other. There was no indication for a higher risk of EMT seeking in people with lifetime mental health diagnoses, however, it is possible the risk is less pronounced in common mental health conditions. 

- Of the 19 users who sought medical treatment 8 were admitted to hospital. All but one respondent reported returning to normality within 24 h, and all respondents recovered within 7 days.

- An estimated 34,347 number of total mushrooms taking events resulted in 8 admissions to hospital. All reportedly returned to normality and recovered within 7 days. 58% of admissions had also been mixing mushrooms with other substances.

-Self-reported reasons for the incident leading to seeking medical attention: 
Mood/mind-set: 47%
Mixed substances: 37%
Place/setting: 37%
Took too much: 26%
Don’t know: 21%
Not magic mushrooms: 5%
 

Guys, you misconstrue what I'm saying.

All I'm saying is that to use small doses for recreation is one thing. Definitely safer than alcohol or tobacco.

But, and let's not bandy about the bush, there is documented evidence of the benefit of psychedelics treating various conditions from PTSD to anxiety, to depression. And more, certain compounds for specific conditions like MDMA for PTSD. Even nicotine is used as a Psychedelic...

Admin - by expert guidance I mentioned eg Shamans. Not because of any religious aspects, but because they are experienced in guiding you through the journey and assist when complications arise.

What I meant by legit research association is exactly that. That will be a team of scientists/medical professionals AND esoteric practitioners There aren't any in SA I know of. And even then, I'd be careful.

We are constantly warning people here on the dangers and correct use of AAS's and associated compounds.

Especially after the collosal scam and cockup of COVID and lockdowns many people are VERY compromised, barely holding it together. Add the fact our country is now inevitably sliding uncontrollably down a steep embankment with a precipice literally in front .

All I'm saying is "Festina lente". Advising guys on safe use is good but we need to take cognisance of desperate people who may end up doing a lot of damage to themselves.

Cyclo wrote:

Admin - by expert guidance I mentioned eg Shamans. Not because of any religious aspects, but because they are experienced in guiding you through the journey and assist when complications arise.

I wanted you to give me the specific criteria you use to qualify a shaman as an expert, because I want to see if the two moderators I assigned also meet your criteria.

Based on what you said we've established that religion is not one of the requirements, but experience and the ability to assist with complications are. Both mods here have experience guiding others and they already offered advice on what to do to increase the likelihood that a session goes smoothly. They are not physically present, but they recommended that a close friend is there to assist which would be far more comforting than some stranger in their opinion.

Cyclo wrote:

What I meant by legit research association is exactly that. That will be a team of scientists/medical professionals AND esoteric practitioners There aren't any in SA I know of. And even then, I'd be careful.

If there aren't any scientists, medical professionals or research associations that you know of in SA, why did you recommend them as an option? Then you state that if there were any, you would be careful of them. In other words you are saying: "Go to a reputable research unit, but be wary of them". That makes no sense, because why recommend them if you don't trust them yourself?

Cyclo wrote:

We are constantly warning people here on the dangers and correct use of AAS's and associated compounds.

Yes and we're doing the same with psychedelics now. But we also experiment with self-administered underground AAS here. The purpose of this website is to educate others and getting educated on AAS and now I'm expanding that to include psychedelics as well.

Cyclo wrote:

Especially after the collosal scam and cockup of COVID and lockdowns many people are VERY compromised, barely holding it together. Add the fact our country is now inevitably sliding uncontrollably down a steep embankment with a precipice literally in front .
 

True, one more reason not to trust "the experts" from the research associations and to take matters regarding your health into your own hands. I saw the benefits psychedelics had on someone which led me to investigate them further and I'm convinced that they will be very helpful to many as we face the difficult times ahead. There aren't many alternatives that does not involve dependancy forming drugs from big pharma and they often do more harm than good in the long run as you know.

Cyclo wrote:

All I'm saying is "Festina lente". Advising guys on safe use is good but we need to take cognisance of desperate people who may end up doing a lot of damage to themselves.

Do you have experience with psychedelic mushrooms? Doesn't seem that way, because you are dramatic and overreacting which is why you are getting pushback in the first place. We have discussed other bodybuilding related drugs here that are far more dangerous.

Cyclo wrote:

All I'm saying is "Festina lente".

 

That's an ironic thing to say, because psychedelic mushrooms have been used for thousands of years. Perhaps it's the new modern medicines that should be used with less haste as we found out in the last couple years.

Just to confirm, for experts Dr's and moderators?  Does this stuff actually work for mental health in long term or basically just the same as a few beers on weekends? Will this actually work for someone who tried to commit suicide more than once?  I can't go into details but honest advice without sales talk will be appreciated