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15 Dec 2012 18:35 #130156 by Byron182
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Point made, on the end the true fat loss pill are in the diet.

A person can look as food as fuel or something they njoy. Most of the time when you njoy food its all the bad ones and it makes you feel bad, but eating right can make you feel on top of the world.

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04 Feb 2013 20:50 #132604 by ibanez
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I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well. :)


Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?

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04 Feb 2013 21:32 #132608 by Muscleaddict
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ibanez wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:
I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well. :)


Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?


GHRP + CJC I mix in one pin and then use the same pin straight after for the MT2. MT2 is a very stable and durable peptide but not so sure about CJC. I've read arguments going both ways but I'd rather not risk affecting potency. It's seriously not necessary to use a brand new pin for that.
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05 Feb 2013 09:27 #132640 by Heretic47
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Muscleaddict wrote:

ibanez wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:
I had my first injection of ipam/cjc/melanotan2 earlier and then had a 1 hour nap. Slept so well. :)


Did you mix then in a single pin, or use 3 pins?


...but not so sure about CJC. I've read arguments going both ways but I'd rather not risk affecting potency.


I found a fragility scale. CJC-1295 w/o DAC is more stable than CJC with. It's as a result of the lysine linker.

@ibanez: Should be fine mixing but not more than 8 hours. I'd still it MA style

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05 Feb 2013 13:19 #132666 by ibanez
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I've started using 100mcg Ipam with 100mcg CJC no Dac. Pin in the evening, just before going to sleep. Thought it best to start off slow. (My objective: good nights sleep, anti aging)

It's been 10 days and my sleeping quality seems to have improved = better attitude and more energy in the gym.

Also use MT2, once a week and HCG, 2 consecutive days before my weekly test cyp pin. (Self HRT).

(feeling a tad like a pin cushion ..)

@MA, do you back-fill your pins? How do you prevent mixing if drawing straight from the vials?

Current medical research and peptide therapy is really exciting, imho!

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05 Feb 2013 13:42 #132667 by Heretic47
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ibanez wrote: I've started using 100mcg Ipam with 100mcg CJC no Dac. Pin in the evening, just before going to sleep. Thought it best to start off slow. (My objective: good nights sleep, anti aging)

It's been 10 days and my sleeping quality seems to have improved = better attitude and more energy in the gym.

Also use MT2, once a week and HCG, 2 consecutive days before my weekly test cyp pin. (Self HRT).

(feeling a tad like a pin cushion ..)

@MA, do you back-fill your pins? How do you prevent mixing if drawing straight from the vials?

Current medical research and peptide therapy is really exciting, imho!

B)


Sorry to jump in. IMO there's no need to back-load your pins if you're only doing 1 shoot session with them but 3 vials is the max I'd draw from. What i do is pre-load 2 syringes. 1 with CJC and another with ipam. I use a separate syringe to draw up like 5 "servings"then back-load that into 1. Then draw up 5 of the other pep and do the same. Then discard the back-loading syringe. That way you avoid unnecessary blunting.

Anything over 6 and i feel i'm forcing too much.

P.S after every pin I dip each needle into alcohol before re-capping. Same for pre-pin. I don't touch it with anything else

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02 Apr 2013 10:18 #135493 by pornflakes
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Has anyone heard of or even tried high dosage cycles?

Here's some info I found that sounds promising however I'm not so sure that running peptides 10x the saturation dose would really help?

I prefer to call High dose Peptide cycles lasting no longer than 6 weeks as burst cycles, as the principal is the same as burst cycle with AAS.
What your looking to achieve is to exaggerate the benefits of peptides and then cease before sides become prominent, The difference with peptides as they have a totally different affect on your organism, and its functions than AAS.
After an Anabolic cycle, you would still need a mild pct even if the burst cycle was only 2 or 3 weeks. As we know muscle growth comes in surges, once igf levels are elevated, and testosterone is high, Muscles will grow, the longer you use an anabolic though the greater the risk of sides, and you increase the mount of time your shutdown, the longer you are, the harder recovery to your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis )
So you increase the dose and run it for less time, increasing the speed as to which plasma serum levels become saturated, and the speed to which igf levels hit a high enough level to cause muscle growth.

Peptides can work in a similar way…

If you run low dose cycles for up to a year, you will see very little in the way of increased muscle, but you will receive the benefits of its anti-aging properties, increased collagen synthesis, cell turnover and slightly elevated igf, leading to fat loss, improved nutrient partitioning, and insulin function. But we are focusing here on muscle gain and fat loss, the 2 big hitters that peptides offer.

Running a high dose protocol will cause a few reactions in the body, increased cortisol which will affect sleep negatively and cause muscle catabolism if its too high, and the other nasty hormone here is prolactin, which rises through GH exerting its affects. The longer a high dose is ran, the greater the increase in sides caused by these 2 powerful hormones.

Burst cycling keys.

Firstly we need to keep the cycle length short… 6 weeks is the max, i prefer 4.
Second we need to use a 3 x ed dosing method to synchronize with our own GH pulse, this prevents sides.
Thirdly we need to use a dose that will exert anabolic actions quickly.
Fourth we need to choose the right peptides for the job.

Cycle example.

Weeks 1-4
7 am 400mcg ipamorelin, GRF 1-29 300mcg
2pm 400mcg ghrp-2, GRF 1-29 300MCG
9pm 1000mcg Ipamorelin, 500mcg GRF 1-29

The idea of using ipamorelin, is it has little affect on prolactin and cortisol, while being a very effective ghrp, using it AM and PM allows for its unique ability to trigger a secondary gh pulse about 7 hours after the initial one upon dosing, making it ideal AM and PM.
GHRP-2 has powerful slow wave sleep enhancing benefits and for this reason, the midday shot will trigger the right kind of GH to allow restful sleep at night. This could easily be substituted for GHRP-6.
A GHRH such as GRF 1-29 acts on different populations of somatotropes (GH releasing cells). GHRPs increases the number of somatotropes releasing GH but not the amount released by each cell, the GHRH affects both the number of secreting cells and then in turn how much GH is secreted by these cells.. The combination then of using either Modified GRF 1-29 or Semorelin, along with a GHRP is a true synergy, in this case 1+ 1 = 5 the power than the 2 combined is greater than the sum of their individual parts.
What results can you expect?
Everyone is different, and will respond very differently to peptides, but the potential for gains is great, depending on a number of factors, During PCT this will solidify and help maintain your gains as your own testosterone levels rise.
In combination with an AAS cycle, where you would perhaps see 7-10lb over 4 weeks, with this added combination of increased GH and therefore IGF, 15-20lbs is possible, some of this will be water weight, but tht will subside upon cessation.
If used as a stand alone, i personally have gained over 6lbs in 4 weeks and kept every lb, while lowering my bf by 1 whole percent. This is also a very effective quick fix for injuries, as the anti inflammatory nature of GH along with increased collagen repletion and added lubrication can help someone recover much faster.
Increasing your IGF levels high enough ( a tell tale sign of increased GH) is the main contributor to new muscle growth, this cant happen at smaller doses, unless cjc-1295 DAC ws used, as the GH bleed causes igf levels to rise very quickly..
This can be used very effectively in a burst cycle, using CJC DAC for the first 3 weeks at 4000mcg a week divided into 4 1000mcg doses, this can in effect kick start your burst cycle to cause even bigger and better gains, and really help with fat loss if that is your goal.
If calories are cut right down during a burst cycle, Rapid fat loss and muscle hardening can be seen, add to this the health benefits, and you cant really go wrong.
Deciding if a burst cycle is for you.
If you can afford it and your looking for fast results, running 2 or 3 of these cycles a year can and will if used properly take your physique to a new level, you will get the amount of GH needed to burn fat, and build muscle, running a supplement like Androst-3,5-dien7,17-dione can eliminate any increase in prolactin or cortisol, so even water retention can be kept at a minimum.
Running a longer low dose cycle just doesn’t equate to the same gains in the long run, it cant happen, igf levels never get high enough, and the amount of GH just isn’t enough to really show the fat loss potential or ability to induce satellite cells to maturity, resulting in hypertrophy of the muscle.
Caution is advised if using GHRP-6 i never suggest a dose higher than 400mcg, as the hunger that entails will lead to very wet dirty gains, but if your goal is to bulk, then it would be ideal..
I hope you enjoy your cycle.


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02 Apr 2013 10:36 #135494 by machine
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I have the igf LR3 from turbo vital, , they say site injections in musclegroup you have just trained. At like 2.5 ED. Well on the training days obviously. And split into diff areas of the musclesN like left and right. What do you suggest ?

I also have a box of folistatin from protopeptides. They say 2.5 iu before you train each muscle group.

Whatabout combining them ? But then I will not know which works best

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02 Apr 2013 11:59 #135502 by Muscleaddict
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pornflakes wrote: Has anyone heard of or even tried high dosage cycles?

Here's some info I found that sounds promising however I'm not so sure that running peptides 10x the saturation dose would really help?

I prefer to call High dose Peptide cycles lasting no longer than 6 weeks as burst cycles, as the principal is the same as burst cycle with AAS.
What your looking to achieve is to exaggerate the benefits of peptides and then cease before sides become prominent, The difference with peptides as they have a totally different affect on your organism, and its functions than AAS.
After an Anabolic cycle, you would still need a mild pct even if the burst cycle was only 2 or 3 weeks. As we know muscle growth comes in surges, once igf levels are elevated, and testosterone is high, Muscles will grow, the longer you use an anabolic though the greater the risk of sides, and you increase the mount of time your shutdown, the longer you are, the harder recovery to your HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis )
So you increase the dose and run it for less time, increasing the speed as to which plasma serum levels become saturated, and the speed to which igf levels hit a high enough level to cause muscle growth.

Peptides can work in a similar way…

If you run low dose cycles for up to a year, you will see very little in the way of increased muscle, but you will receive the benefits of its anti-aging properties, increased collagen synthesis, cell turnover and slightly elevated igf, leading to fat loss, improved nutrient partitioning, and insulin function. But we are focusing here on muscle gain and fat loss, the 2 big hitters that peptides offer.

Running a high dose protocol will cause a few reactions in the body, increased cortisol which will affect sleep negatively and cause muscle catabolism if its too high, and the other nasty hormone here is prolactin, which rises through GH exerting its affects. The longer a high dose is ran, the greater the increase in sides caused by these 2 powerful hormones.

Burst cycling keys.

Firstly we need to keep the cycle length short… 6 weeks is the max, i prefer 4.
Second we need to use a 3 x ed dosing method to synchronize with our own GH pulse, this prevents sides.
Thirdly we need to use a dose that will exert anabolic actions quickly.
Fourth we need to choose the right peptides for the job.

Cycle example.

Weeks 1-4
7 am 400mcg ipamorelin, GRF 1-29 300mcg
2pm 400mcg ghrp-2, GRF 1-29 300MCG
9pm 1000mcg Ipamorelin, 500mcg GRF 1-29

The idea of using ipamorelin, is it has little affect on prolactin and cortisol, while being a very effective ghrp, using it AM and PM allows for its unique ability to trigger a secondary gh pulse about 7 hours after the initial one upon dosing, making it ideal AM and PM.
GHRP-2 has powerful slow wave sleep enhancing benefits and for this reason, the midday shot will trigger the right kind of GH to allow restful sleep at night. This could easily be substituted for GHRP-6.
A GHRH such as GRF 1-29 acts on different populations of somatotropes (GH releasing cells). GHRPs increases the number of somatotropes releasing GH but not the amount released by each cell, the GHRH affects both the number of secreting cells and then in turn how much GH is secreted by these cells.. The combination then of using either Modified GRF 1-29 or Semorelin, along with a GHRP is a true synergy, in this case 1+ 1 = 5 the power than the 2 combined is greater than the sum of their individual parts.
What results can you expect?
Everyone is different, and will respond very differently to peptides, but the potential for gains is great, depending on a number of factors, During PCT this will solidify and help maintain your gains as your own testosterone levels rise.
In combination with an AAS cycle, where you would perhaps see 7-10lb over 4 weeks, with this added combination of increased GH and therefore IGF, 15-20lbs is possible, some of this will be water weight, but tht will subside upon cessation.
If used as a stand alone, i personally have gained over 6lbs in 4 weeks and kept every lb, while lowering my bf by 1 whole percent. This is also a very effective quick fix for injuries, as the anti inflammatory nature of GH along with increased collagen repletion and added lubrication can help someone recover much faster.
Increasing your IGF levels high enough ( a tell tale sign of increased GH) is the main contributor to new muscle growth, this cant happen at smaller doses, unless cjc-1295 DAC ws used, as the GH bleed causes igf levels to rise very quickly..
This can be used very effectively in a burst cycle, using CJC DAC for the first 3 weeks at 4000mcg a week divided into 4 1000mcg doses, this can in effect kick start your burst cycle to cause even bigger and better gains, and really help with fat loss if that is your goal.
If calories are cut right down during a burst cycle, Rapid fat loss and muscle hardening can be seen, add to this the health benefits, and you cant really go wrong.
Deciding if a burst cycle is for you.
If you can afford it and your looking for fast results, running 2 or 3 of these cycles a year can and will if used properly take your physique to a new level, you will get the amount of GH needed to burn fat, and build muscle, running a supplement like Androst-3,5-dien7,17-dione can eliminate any increase in prolactin or cortisol, so even water retention can be kept at a minimum.
Running a longer low dose cycle just doesn’t equate to the same gains in the long run, it cant happen, igf levels never get high enough, and the amount of GH just isn’t enough to really show the fat loss potential or ability to induce satellite cells to maturity, resulting in hypertrophy of the muscle.
Caution is advised if using GHRP-6 i never suggest a dose higher than 400mcg, as the hunger that entails will lead to very wet dirty gains, but if your goal is to bulk, then it would be ideal..
I hope you enjoy your cycle.


This guy is talking out of his ass and guys like this are very dangerous because they have considerable knowledge but have either picked up enough bullshit broscience along the way to cause a lot of people to do stupid things or they are twisting info to get you to buy their peptides. He could at least try to get his terminology right since he is trying to teach people something. He's talking about GRF 1-29 but that is Sermorelin. Mod GRF 1-29 is totally different and that is what he is supposed to be talking about.

His proposed bullshit peptide cycle will cost most people more than what it costs to buy 300IU of HGH, this oke to claim that his 4 week GHRP/GHRH peptide cycle gave him 3KG of permanent muscle gains is just ridiculous. That amount of peptides will give you 3KG of water bloat for sure.

He says that with peptides the principal is the same as burst cycle with AAS. Kak :blink: The HPTA's negative feedback system is nothing like anything to do with the GH/IGF1 axis. Peptides do not shut down natural GH production.

And then, "GHRP-2 has powerful slow wave sleep enhancing benefits and for this reason, the midday shot will trigger the right kind of GH to allow restful sleep at night." More crap. GHRP2 does not enhance slow wave sleep, that is broscience logic due to it being an analog of ghrelin which does improve slow wave sleep. A clinical study on GHRP2 found that it does nothing for slow wave sleep. I can find the study if you want it. WTF does "trigger the right kind of GH mean"? All GHRPs release the same, one and only human growth hormone.

Ipamorelin causing a secondary GH pulse 7 hours after a dose??? :blink: Enough bullshit thank you very much.
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04 Apr 2013 11:07 #135613 by pornflakes
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I've been cutting with frag 176-192 alongside an ECA stack for a few days now. 2x 250mcg a day in the morning and at night on an empty stomach.

Problem is, I reconstituted the peptide with sterile water as I could not get a hold of bacteriostatic.; so how long am I looking at before the peptide starts deteriorating? I've already noticed that pain from pinning is worse after the first.(alternating sites of course)

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04 Apr 2013 11:31 #135614 by Mr T
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pornflakes wrote: I've been cutting with frag 176-192 alongside an ECA stack for a few days now. 2x 250mcg a day in the morning and at night on an empty stomach.

Problem is, I reconstituted the peptide with sterile water as I could not get a hold of bacteriostatic.; so how long am I looking at before the peptide starts deteriorating? I've already noticed that pain from pinning is worse after the first.(alternating sites of course)


Also interestedin this,I got sodium chloride 0,9% with my melanotan and was wondering if that would effect the peptide life at all?

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04 Apr 2013 12:25 #135615 by machine
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I think its the same , bacteriostatic or sterile , spareit how diff could it be

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04 Apr 2013 12:25 #135616 by machine
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I think its the same , bacteriostatic or sterile , spareit how diff could it be

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04 Apr 2013 13:05 #135617 by pornflakes
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machine wrote: I think its the same , bacteriostatic or sterile , spareit how diff could it be


Well bacteriostatic is supposedly better as it keeps bacteria at bay. Sterile water on the other hand is no longer sterile once reconstituted :S

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04 Apr 2013 13:57 #135618 by Mr T
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pornflakes wrote:

machine wrote: I think its the same , bacteriostatic or sterile , spareit how diff could it be


Well bacteriostatic is supposedly better as it keeps bacteria at bay. Sterile water on the other hand is no longer sterile once reconstituted :S


If that's true then I'm going to wait and purchase bacteriostatic instead as I haven't reconstituted the vial yet

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