first time hGH and insulin user

i have used compounds in the past like depotrone dbol winstrol equipose and deca. and i am determined to get the size needed! i am extremely interested in using hGH and iinsulin on a 2 month course with clenbutterol. i want to stay away from test if possible.. would it be a huge difference if i added in test like test mix or sust? my friends say im too young to use hGH as i am only 22 but i have seen the bonuses of using it with insulin..the pure thickness of muscle. any input would be gladly appreciated especially by doc!

alot of guys will say that 22 is to young to even use juice,well if i had known that 2 years ago i wouldnt be in the gym(long story behind that) but if u tell the likes of andrew hudson that 22 is too young to use gh and slin he will laugh,i think (stand to be corrected on this) he started using at the age of 21 before the junior universe that he won... i dunno,i am just as keen as u tiburon but will personally use gh at a later stage when just muti is not enought,and just by the way if u looking for insites into doasages,doc is not going to recommend ur dosages for u as,and i agree 100%,ethical on his behalf..but he is a such a nice guy that he does inform u of what the ideals are...as he has done in previous threads about testosterone dosages...it was spoken in broad terms not in exact dosages...

yea i understand dosages are diff to each person and that but u look at guys on insulin the pure size they gain and maintain it..its ridiculous...

Tiburon I can understand your determination and drive but making impulsive decisions in an attempt to speed up the process might not be the answer.Ideally one should only start HGH once the boney plates in your skull have fused which can happen up to your mid to late 20's(the only way to truly tell is a visit to the doctor and tests)thats why the general rule for taking HGH is from your late 20's upward.You've got a lot of time still might be wise to wait a couple of years and utilise your own hormones before starting the synthetic stuff

Your cribiform plate at your base of skull only unifies between the age of 21-22yr. Some fascial bones only solidify somewhere between 22-24, and this genetically can vary. Estrogen is the limiting hormone here. People with short stature has this due to genetically higher levels of estrogen and usually has growth plate sessasion earlier. So, basically, if you are tallish in stature, or gained some lenght over the last year at your age, you might still have active growth plates in your fascial bones - using HGH then will lead to acromegaly features. If it were me, I would steer away from HGH until at least the age of 24.

As far as dosages are concerned, do a search on this site - I have already provided these here and discussed administering it at length.

im about 5 10" and havent grown any in ages.. my last cycle included a 10 week course og 200mg equi a week and 400mg test cypionate a week... for the first month i used dbol and the 2 weeks off and then last month used whinny tabs. i got nice lean gains and hardened up but my pct was shamble..i admit was poorley planned.
i was considering doing equi 350mg and testmix and anavar with proviron whilst on but have been distracted by the gh and insulin train...

i want hard gains but also thickness

also insulin in your eyes doc do the benifits outweigh the dangers? talking for u personally

GH, SLIN?

ouch!!! I know this post is old but goodness, the stuff I read is SCARY!

Firstly don't expect to grow very big on GH and rule slin right out of the equasion. GH is the only substance that can create 'new' cells. Firstly at your age your body own GH supply is strong and only starts to deplete when you get around 26. But hey i've used GH for years and i'm only 27 so i'm not 1 to talk.

But realize it creates 'new' cells, those 'cells' have to expand. GH growth takes along time and you will not see the results on GH like you do on juice.

if you want I will look up all the scientific terms and explain it all in more detail but bottom line is slowly slowly catch a monkey.

I have not tried Gh before but very interested, I am 30 years old, so I guess the timing is ok.
can anyone in the PE area advise on availability

Minimum dosage should be 4 IU per day mind you my mate did 4 IU of humpatrope(the lilly one) for 6 months and except looking so lean he didnt get much bigger. But his pocket got a lot smaller though as this stuff costs $$$$$$.Also he feared isnulin big time and used metophormin with it. The funny thing is he told me that he never felt better in his life whilst on HGH and this dude used to suffer from insomnia but now even long after finishing hgh he sleeps like a machine.He started of with 94 kgs with around 15-20 % bodyfat. After 6 months he was 91 KG but his bodfyfat was like on 8 % or something redicilous like that. He Looks better like this is my opinion. Anyhow if you decide to take this route be careful with insulin mate. And also DONT BUY NOMAD HGH. We tested it with few ppl and its absolute crap. Good luck.

Please remeber, hGH is not 'designed' to make you big, it depends how you use the substance. Females can use this in their 50's+ to start menstral cycles again. This is AN AMAZING product. But remeber if you start your menstral cycles again remeber you have to come off them again, and not many people can afford to live off hGH and when you come off its going to hit you twice as hard.

Some benefits of hGH

Increases Energy and Endurance, Improves Sports Performance and Recovery
Increases Immune System Function

HGH Reduces Fat Accumulation and Builds Lean Muscle Mass

Increases Bone Density and Reduces Osteoporosis

Lowers Blood Pressure

Improves Libido and Sexual Performance

Improves Cardiac Function and Cholesterol Profiles

Reverses Aging Changes in the Skin and Promotes Thicker Hair Growth

Improves Mood and Sleep Patterns

Reduces the Risk of Developing Type II Adult-Onset Diabetes

May Be Helpful in Treating Crohn's Disease

As you can see its a wonder drug, and from all the research I have done, I see no side affects.

But as I have said before if you going to use this substance to get 'big' use it with gear.

I have really hurt my body with juice in the past and can no longer cycle on any product for in risk of organ failure. But if I want to go the route of health and strengthen organs and repair cells, hGH is the way to go.

Smaller shots for longer peroids are advised, around 4/5UI a day split into morning and evening shots. Very easy no painful injection, just like you would inject if you where diabetic, squeeze together the skin on your stomach, stick the insulin needle in and press.

Mixing the stuff can be a bit tricky not to get 'bubbly' mix, so when drawing up the sterile water and squirting it into the bottle with the hGH powder rest the needle on the side of the amp and run the water down the side of the bottle pressing out very slowly when done swirl the bottle around very slowly to mix the solution.

Remeber to store the solution in your fridge.

Hope this helps.

PS: I believe the right doctor can perscribe hGH for you, so availability shouldn't be a problem where you live.

Thanks.

lol,dat wud expalin andrew hudsons big face.

i was in school with andrew and i can tell you,he was naturally a very good looking guy.a ben affleck look alike.im sure he had a trail of women behind him.

now he looks flippen ugly on the face.and he never seems to come in looking sharp.

he always has a large percentage of fat under his skin.

i think this has something to do with the insulin,not so much the gh.

gh alone is actually a fat loss drug rather than a muscle building drug.most guys use it just before a show to spot reduce fat in the lower abs and glutes.


i would rather spend my money on a nice combo of testosterones and a 19 nor test like tren or deca.and use gh before the comp.

i used to be an advocate of insulin because of the shocking gains in weight that i experienced.but now that i am dieting i regret it coz it has drastically complicated my fat loss and i am questioning as to wether the gains i made were really worthwile,i know i did increase muscle mass but also fat and bone mass in the same proportion.and heavy bones means i have to compete in a higher weight category.

nice info

00pump.. thank you for the input, as mentioned I am 30 and dont compete any more, so not sure if it is even worthwhile to consider gh.

you mention you hurt your body with the gear, is this from overdoing it. I think at my age less is better especially since I will not compete again.

farook,another northwood boy i see...

After going to a natural health doctor and him analyzing my body and blood he realized and saw certain genetic weaknesses in my system. And I guess I’m one of the unlucky few that have his dreams shattered because of this. But it doesn’t matter, the point being is that I can hopefully reverse it organ by organ and that is a big enough challenge to do, so I’m excited to excel in that.

But yes, finally the body just shut down, enlarged left side of my heart, prostrate enlarged, kidney damage, liver damage. And the thing is since around 18 I stopped smoking, drinking, have a cheat meal once a week. And lived this way for around 9 years and I still was unlucky. You get people that ‘juice’ and drink and smoke and they fine, then again you get people with lung cancer that doesn’t smoke. So it’s actually more so a lesson to say, don’t think it’s not possible to happen to you, because when the damage is there, most times picked up to late it’s very difficult to correct.

Another benefit of me getting sick now is that I am forced to do everything naturally and see what I can do by that. I will research every possible natural way of increasing testosterone by foods, herbs, etc. And the thing is, when you BP is up as high as mine is you don’t even have the energy to gym, so being on juice or not it’s all a mission. Rather feel healthy and vibrant and with that push your body to the max. I definitely believe less is better, because what the body can’t absorb goes straight to kidneys, liver, etc.

I wish I had just don’t allot more ‘checks’ during my cycle, done blood analysis and see what my red blood cells looked like, if there was a problem with stranding and not evenly spread out, FIX THAT. This way it wouldn’t have been years of thinking you doing everything by the book but your body just not liking it regales of how you cautious you are.

00pump. sorry to hear that, you so right, rather look after your health, its more impotant than juicing.

I have negelected to get regular check ups, will do so immediately.

Jeah its a scary game, my worst fear the moment is actually fertility issues. And scared that because of the length of time I have been on gear that it will be impossible to have kids. Would really upset my wife. But anyway, thats not a worry to have until I have that checked out.

Whats worse is when people get told by the doctor, hey listen BP is up, you could run into problems, and you have large ammount of protein in the urine, they will keep up their cycle, like oh what does this doctor know. Also to find the right doctor that understands what 'you' want and doesn't say hey, don't take that because its bad but cant give you a reason to back what he is saying. Be fair both ways, you need a doctor that knows his shit, knows allot about gear and that can advise you honestly and in reasonable manner, I guess then it will prevent you from rebelling against what he has to say.

*shrugs* in theory the above statment is correct

NOOOOOOOOORRRRRTTTTTTHHHWOOOOOOOD!!!:laugh:

farook,drop me a mail. EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED i am also a northwood old boy,so was tiburon as well as kevin coyne...even though he doesnt feature that much on this forum...

haha kewl man

i would drop you a mail but i dont have a personal mailbox at work.my boss and i share an inbox.

i know kevin,very well

we were in the same year.

what year did u matriculate?

2003...i think i know exactly who u are bro...got a sneaking suspicion is the same guy..u train at la lucia,used to stay or still stay in the umgeni park area?

i used to train at la lucia and i do still live in umgeni park area.

i have no clue who you are.

gimme a clue dude:dry:

bro i think i even caught the same bus as u home every day lol!!! some say i cant wear socks,and my voice shatters windows...all that we know is i am the Dj..

damn,im still lost man
:huh:

u got my brain baffled as hell

were you tall and thin in skewl?