GH Cycle - Please advise

Hey Guys

I hope everyone is well.

I have an issue, i wonder if you guys can please help me out.

I have been taking Hygetropin now for about 3 and a half months and I really cant see ANY difference in my body. I am taking 4ius a day, 5 days on 2 days off, i heard that it was ment to make me leaner, but honestly, i have not noticed a difference.

I hear that Humatrope is the best so that is what i decided to go for?

Here are a few of my questions:

1. I cannot find the 12mg Huma around at a good price, but I can get 2 boxes of the 6mg Huma extremely cheap, this leeads to my question which is. If i double the dose on the 6mg huma, would it work out to be the same as taking a single dose of the 12mg huma?

2. I read on one of the posts that if you taking 4ius a day that can hep a bit with muscle gain, but 3ius a day is basically just fat loss, so if i am basically using the gh to get lean, but i would also like to get thicker, harder, etc, should i just keep it at 3ius or is it worth going up to 4ius a day?

3. I have been doing my GH shot at night about 30 minutes before i eat supper? is that the right protocol or am i doing something wrong there?

Thanks very much guys!

Will appreciate ANY help or advice!!

Hey Switch

Well you've certainly chosen an expensive way to lose fat. You have to remember that the effects of GH is very subtle, the changes in your body take place over a long period of time and sometimes even seem unnoticible. Also with any fatloss program, chemicals should just be an aid to compliment a good diet. Diet and cardio are always going to be the fundamental base to achieve maximum fat loss, the chemical aids come after to accelerate the process.

If you going to use underground HGH (kefei, hygetropin,) then I wouldn't go less then 5iu/day. Since you are changing to Humatrope which you will find is far superior in every way, so you can get away with a lower dosage comparitively. If you can afford 4iu/day then I'm pretty sure that you will get some very noticible results within a month of use.

Here some answers to your questions:
1)With Humatrope, it comes in 6mg, 12mg, 24mg cartridges. The 6mg is equivalent to 18iu and will be exactly half of the 12mg (36iu). So yes, doubling the dosage is correct. You can buy humatrope pens that will take the huma cartridges or you can just use a slin needle to draw from the cartridge. Norditropin on the other hand comes with a pen. Perhaps look at getting Nordi, it is probably my favourite GH.

2)The general rule of thumb with GH is that dosages <3iu are good for fat loss, anything >3iu can result in some muscle building as well. The more the better IMO, if you can afford it. Another option would be to rather opt for bigger doses of UG GH over lower doses of pharma. Look at Koe, he was on 10iu kefei/day and getting very good results.

3)No, that's the wrong timing, who told you to do it before you eat?? Natural GH release is duirnal, meaning it follows a daily release pattern. The first occurs during the first few hours of REM sleep and there is another natural GH spike after exercise. It is therefore always best to administer GH first thing in the morning and again just before afternoon exersise. I split my dose in two, half in morning (7am) and the other half at 3pm.

Ok great, thanks so much for going into detail!

Am I able just to go and buy Huma pens from the pharmacy?

Should i take it 5 days on and 2 days off?

And if i had to double the dose of the 6mg huma, so i could get the equivelent of 4ius of the 12mg one, how many units would that be in a slin syringe?

I train at about 5:30 or 6 in the morning, so would i take my 1st dose before i train? and then i usually do cardio at night at about 6:30, so must i just do what you do and take my second dose at about 3pm?

And then how long before and after my shot must i not eat!?

Thanks a million staurt!!

Switch wrote: Ok great, thanks so much for going into detail!

Am I able just to go and buy Huma pens from the pharmacy?

Should i take it 5 days on and 2 days off?

And if i had to double the dose of the 6mg huma, so i could get the equivelent of 4ius of the 12mg one, how many units would that be in a slin syringe?

I train at about 5:30 or 6 in the morning, so would i take my 1st dose before i train? and then i usually do cardio at night at about 6:30, so must i just do what you do and take my second dose at about 3pm?

And then how long before and after my shot must i not eat!?

Thanks a million staurt!!

They have to order the pens for you, its like R500 each, id rather just use a slin pin and take it from the catridge after mixing.
You will have to calculate that based on how much water you mix into the solution. 6mg is about 18iu if im not mistaken.
1st shot as you wake up IM, next shot at about 3 is fine, don't eat an hour before or after your shot. 2iu am and 2iu pm.

If your BF% is still around 15, there are better - not to mention cheaper - options to lose weight. Like Stu mentioned, GH has a slow and subtle impact, which is more noticeable with a BF below 11%.

Ok great, thanks everyone for your advice!

R500 for a pen, sounds like a joke, haha

In the box of huma, doesnt it give you the exact amount of water that you need to mix with it?

I just want to make sure im taking the correct dosage!

So because i am taking double the dosage of the 6mg huma( so i can get equivelent to the 12mg huma), Would that work out to be 4ius in morning, and 4ius at 3pm?

The huma box comes wth a cartridge of somatropin powder, bacteriostatic water and a special syringe for loading the cartridge with the water. Once you have injected and mixed all the bacteriostatic water into the cartridge, you can either draw your dosage with a slin needle (recommended) or buy a humatrope pen, which is unnecessary.

I don't think you understanding the different dosage amounts correctly. The 6mg cartridge will make 18iu of mixture, the 12mg is just double the amount of HGH powder and would be equilvalent to 36iu. This does not mean you have to double your dosage....4iu is 4iu no matter if it comes from a 6mg cartridge or a 12mg cartridge.

Once the solvent (3ml of bacteriostatic water) is mixed with the 6mg powder, it means that there will be:
18iu in 3ml
6iu in 1ml
1ml = 1cc (slin needle)
so 0.6iu in 0.1cc
4iu will be 0.67cc (on slin needle)

I think this is correct but please double check the calcs.

You are right Stu, except I think he would understand it better like this:
18iu in 3ml
6iu in 1ml
100iu on slin pin = 6iu
4iu= 66.7 iu on slin pin
2iu= 33.35iu on slin pin

haha, wow

i feel sooooo confused now
haha

Let me read over this a few times amd maybe it will make sense in my head.haha

With the hygetropin, this is what i used to do, i have no idea what you guys mean by 66.7cc or 33.35cc.

Each vial is 8IUS, so i would put 1ml water into the vial, and then each day draw 0.5 units out of it with a slin needle, so 1 vial would last 2 days. thats what i understand, the whole "unit" thing. SOrry if i am coming accross stupid, i just really want to get this right.

Thanks alot for your patience everyone!

Switch wrote: haha, wow

i feel sooooo confused now
haha

Let me read over this a few times amd maybe it will make sense in my head.haha

With the hygetropin, this is what i used to do, i have no idea what you guys mean by 66.7cc or 33.35cc.

Each vial is 8IUS, so i would put 1ml water into the vial, and then each day draw 0.5 units out of it with a slin needle, so 1 vial would last 2 days. thats what i understand, the whole "unit" thing. SOrry if i am coming accross stupid, i just really want to get this right.

Thanks alot for your patience everyone!

You mean 50units not 0.5.
100units=1ml
50units=0.5ml

Therefore because 3ml=18iu, 1ml=6iu.
For you to dose 4iu from an insulin syringe you need to take 66.7iu on the insulin syringe to get 4iu in. To get 2iu in half that which is 33.35iu on the insulin syringe.

OH OK! Now it all makes lots of sense!

Thanks a million KOE!

Is there anything else that you can combine with GH to make a good combination? I heard t3 works well with it?

Switch wrote: OH OK! Now it all makes lots of sense!

Thanks a million KOE!

Is there anything else that you can combine with GH to make a good combination? I heard t3 works well with it?

GH has the ability to stimulate the conversion of T4 to T3, making thyroid hormones partially dependent on GH. This means that it can limit the amount of T4 produced by the body. It is always a good idea to supplement HGH use with T4 or a T3/T4 combo like diotroxin.

Ok great, Thank you very much for all your input guys!

Appreciate it!

Hey guys

Just 1 more thing

I just want to ask you guys. You said that usually u would take higher dosage of underground GH, but then a lower dose of Pharma Gh like huma.

So which would be better then. 4IUS a day of huma, or 8 IUS a day of hygetropn?

thanks alot!

It's a tough one, I'm still debating if it is better to use let say use 10iu kefei rather than 5iu huma.
I think I would still go for the lower pharma grade dosage. When you change to pharma grade you can almost feel the difference in quality.
From my experience I have only used phama at 3.5iu/day max. Max kefei dosage i have done is 6iu/day. I have never done high kefei dosages like 10iu so I wouldn't know. Koe will have to give some insight to this.
I think IMO if you are not doing high UG dosages then stick to pharma grade (2-3iu/day)

ok great, thanks alot stuart, u have been a great help!

Would be interested to hear what Koe thinks about this topic?

if:
4iu= 66.7 iu on slin pin
2iu= 33.35iu on slin pin

Then how much would 1.5iu be on a slin pin? ( as you said you take 3iu a day and i would split the dosage,) maybe i will just do 3iu to save myself a few bucks every month!
haha

thanks man

Ya, 3iu/day of huma is a good dosage IMO

ok to get to 1.5iu you need to do some ratio calculations:

2iu = 33.35iu on slin pin
so you need to multiply by 0.75 to get to 1.5iu (1.5/2 = 0.75)
0.75 x 2iu = 1.5iu
multiply both sides
0.75 x 2iu = 0.75 x 33.35iu
1.5iu = 25iu on slin pin

wow, i cant wait till i have all this knowledge
haha

the only thing that im still not 100% sure of is, will i notice a difference, PHYSICALLY, if i take 4iu, instead of 3iu, and vice versa.

doing as much research as i can but just keep on going back to square one

Any insight about that?

Thanks bud

A physical change depends on so many factors, there's training intensity, diet, cardio, supplements, other chemical enhancers etc etc. I would say that if you have all the other factors in place then a 4iu/day cycle of humatrope will definitely give you some noticible fatloss and to a lesser degree some muscle building. Like I said before I have done 3.5iu/day huma and have seen noticable fatloss results within a month of use. I was alternating the huma with keifei,kefei and nordi for 6 months on my last cycle and I have no regrets .

ok great, thanks a million man, really appreciate all your help!!!

Will keep you posted on all my results!!!!!

STUARTF wrote: It's a tough one, I'm still debating if it is better to use let say use 10iu kefei rather than 5iu huma.
I think I would still go for the lower pharma grade dosage. When you change to pharma grade you can almost feel the difference in quality.
From my experience I have only used phama at 3.5iu/day max. Max kefei dosage i have done is 6iu/day. I have never done high kefei dosages like 10iu so I wouldn't know. Koe will have to give some insight to this.
I think IMO if you are not doing high UG dosages then stick to pharma grade (2-3iu/day)

Agree with you if on lower dosages stick to Pharma but higher than 4iu go with Kefei, I would anyway.
To answer you Switch I recommend 4iu Huma over 3iu massive difference IMO I have done 2iu Humatrope all the way up to 4iu. To be honest though I'd rather go with an UG lab over Huma purely based on affordability, you should use Gh at least 3 months best results are at month 4. The cost on Huma would require a 2nd bond even at 4iu/day

yeah, its a tough one koe

But i gotta make my decision asap!

Thanks again for all your help and advice!!

Hey everyone

decided to go with huma, found the 12mg one at very cheap so makes it a bit easier,

I just want to ask, Is there a certain time that the GH can be mixed for before it goes bad??

when i was taking the hyge, i heard that 1 vial could only stay mixed for like 15 days or so, then it goes bad?? Is this all true?

Thanks guys

Yes, that's all true. Once mixed it will be stable up to 21 days. Also it must be kept refridgerated.

ok great, thanks stuart,

i started my huma today, so lets see how it goes!