Chemical is a chemical, no matter which brand?

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21 Feb 2012 08:40 #93824 by Roidrat07
Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...

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21 Feb 2012 08:49 - 21 Feb 2012 08:50 #93826 by iMan
The main thing is the dosage in the component itself I think. For example a 40mcg cap the one manufacture's clen is dosed at 38.5mcg and the other one at a mere 25mcg.
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21 Feb 2012 09:00 #93828 by gab
yip i hace to agree with iMan on this. dosage but also quality is a problem. we dont know how materials get handled so i would stick to reputable brands.

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21 Feb 2012 09:08 #93829 by Koe007

Roidrat07 wrote: Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...


A chemical is not a chemical nowadays due to the grade or quality of raw materials used in producing the drug. Solvents used, oils used etc. All of these factors play a role in the quality of product you receive and mg for mg strength. The better connected a supplier is the better the quality of raw materials he will receive, the more knowledgeable the "Chef" is the better end product.

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21 Feb 2012 09:53 #93837 by Roidrat07
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iMan wrote: The main thing is the dosage in the component itself I think. For example a 40mcg cap the one manufacture's clen is dosed at 38.5mcg and the other one at a mere 25mcg.


Hell, that is just plain crookery!!! A 40mcg should be 40mcg!!! Is like calling a a 1.6 City Golf a 2 litre. :evil:

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21 Feb 2012 10:00 #93839 by 00pump
Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.

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21 Feb 2012 10:22 #93843 by Koe007

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.


Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?

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21 Feb 2012 10:30 #93844 by Roidrat07
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Koe007 wrote:

Roidrat07 wrote: Guys, just wondering why some people (myself included) say some brands are good and others not... surely a chemical is a chemical? I am not referring to combinations of actives, but only to single chemical, such as, for example, clenbuterol...


A chemical is not a chemical nowadays due to the grade or quality of raw materials used in producing the drug. Solvents used, oils used etc. All of these factors play a role in the quality of product you receive and mg for mg strength. The better connected a supplier is the better the quality of raw materials he will receive, the more knowledgeable the "Chef" is the better end product.

Thanks Koe007 - that makes a lot of sense as well. Especially the extraction/manufacture method.

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21 Feb 2012 10:50 - 21 Feb 2012 21:17 #93849 by 00pump

Koe007 wrote:

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.


Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?


Well this is something where I have changed my mind and I have done this by chatting to PGW quite a bit about it... I did use 1000mg for awhile, but I find you start to get nasty side effects, Primo E at 600mg a week is PERFECT, even if you a monster, and I'm saying that because even PGW recommends it.

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21 Feb 2012 13:48 - 22 Feb 2012 07:49 #93866 by jackrabbit1
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00pump wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

00pump wrote: Hence the reason guys who use allot of gear, know the difference between Nomad and PGW when using it.. Nomad is very under dosed, always has been.


Fact, Off topic Pump what dosage do you recommend PGW Primo Enanthate per week?

Well this is something where I have changed my mind and I have done this by chatting to PGW quite a bit about it... I did use 1000mg for awhile, but I find you start to get nasty side effects, Primo E at 600mg a week is PERFECT, even if you a monster, and I'm saying that because even PGW recommends it./quote]

What sides? At 800 i got anxiety etc.

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21 Feb 2012 15:14 - 22 Feb 2012 07:49 #93872 by 00pump
I started to get blood pressure issues, sleep disorder, over heating, anxiety and funny enough a few pimples on my arms, maybe 4 or 5 (nothing to worry about) that I NEVER GET on steroids.. But I felt 'ugly' can't explain it, like hmm, I just wasn't happy, or not happy, but on edge, that could have been linked to the anxiety I'm not sure. End of the day I see no difference in the gains, I lost no weight when I dropped to 600mg and felt wonderful, like I'm not even on a steroid, mood came right, blood pressure went down to 130/80 and strength kept going up. However I trust the source of information and based on the condition he is in, I will not question trying to run higher doses..

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22 Feb 2012 13:15 #94093 by Rookie
Now now Veteran Members, stay on topic.... :P :P ;)

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22 Feb 2012 14:51 #94117 by jackrabbit1
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00pump wrote: I started to get blood pressure issues, sleep disorder, over heating, anxiety and funny enough a few pimples on my arms, maybe 4 or 5 (nothing to worry about) that I NEVER GET on steroids.. But I felt 'ugly' can't explain it, like hmm, I just wasn't happy, or not happy, but on edge, that could have been linked to the anxiety I'm not sure. End of the day I see no difference in the gains, I lost no weight when I dropped to 600mg and felt wonderful, like I'm not even on a steroid, mood came right, blood pressure went down to 130/80 and strength kept going up. However I trust the source of information and based on the condition he is in, I will not question trying to run higher doses..


I think we are on the same page concerning the sides and effect of a lower dosage. I'm on 400mg and plan to run that long term. I'm quite happy with everything as it is now.

So a chemical isnt really a chemical now is it? ;)

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22 Feb 2012 15:23 #94122 by 00pump
Ye, or use the 500mg, then 4 shots per amp.

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