HGH

Hi,

I assume you all know that HGH is a very sensitive substance and must be kept between 2C and 8C AND be kept out of sun light, handled with care etc?
My question is this: all these ‘alternative’ HGH and generic HGH that’s now available (mostly from China), how do they get transported to SA? I’m willing to bet my left nut that they are not being transported all the way from the production line to your home according to the correct medical transportation protocol.
This means that when you eventually get the stuff, there will be no “live” cultures left and the stuff will be utterly useless.
I have emailed various producers and suppliers, and all of them have the same response ‘our stuff is shipped with DHL or FedEx and our customers are satisfied with their results’. Have you ever ordered this stuff from your GP? It gets delivered to your GP by a special medical courier, in a special cooler box so that the substance stays between 2C and 8C…. have you done your homework and found out how your supplier / producer ship and store this stuff?? Can they prove it?

Do your homework on this one.

Hi

Seems like you know quite alot about HGH. If I order from my GP which product should I take. I was looking at Humatrope from Lilly. But what do you recommend?

Hi,
What i know is what i've read - not just on body building web sites but medical sites, clinical trials etc. Don't make any decision based on just 1 guy's opinion or experience, gather as much scientific info as possible, do the research and then make an informed decision.

I've used both Humatrope from Lilly and Norditropin from Novo Nordisk (which comes with an easy to use pen-thingy in which you load the HGH cartridge, dial the IUs you want and inject).
It's much of a muchness, i'd say go for the cheapest one.
Make sure your GP orders from the nearest big medical depot and that he specifies it gets delivered in a cooling truck. If you can't be there with a cooler box when they deliver, make sure your GP stores it in his fridge till you can fetch it. Most of this info is available on the net. Same with dosages and what to use with it, when, how etc etc.
Let me know if you want more info, all I can do is pass on what i've down loaded, read and experienced.
Let me know what you can get and for how much as i just got a quote from my GP on the above mentioned Norditropin and f*** me but the prices have increase a lot since the last time i bought which was about 6 months ago!

Checked the prices this morning and Norditropin is alot cheaper that Humatrope. I think the Humatrope is 12mg for R1700 and Norditropin 10mg for R1100.

In HGH how many IU's is in a mg HGH?

Hi,
please contact me on EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED as those prices does not sound right - i was qutoed directly from the medical depo +-R2500 for the Norditropin 10mg - excl vat

Hmmm, you guys still paying too much hey and I think all who have used the Keifei and Nomatropin can vouch for their quality.

Both these retail for R 2200 - 2400 (incl VAT :laugh: )

Hi,
not disputing their quality or effectiveness IF bought from a supplier (legal or illegal) that transports, stores and delivers according to the manufacturers instructions...

"Norditropin® somatropin 15 mg strength must be kept cool at 2-8°C." ...same for Humatrope, google it and see.

I'd rather pay more but be sure that i'm getting what i'm paying for.

lots of guys i know have bought HGH imported from China - FedEx or DHL, with HGH you normally use a test (like sus) for at least 2 weeks before starting with the HGH... the 'results' in all of these cases are from normal AAS usage. If not stored or transported correctly, all the "live" ingredients die and the stuff's useless, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's a fact - all the info is on the net, check out the various manufacturers' web sites (and no, this does not include the Chinese manufacturers)

Agreed Luther, but that should go not only for GH, but all your anabolics as some or most guys keep it in their car boot and the temp often goes above 30 degrees which is max for most injectables.

So again, getting a reliable and good supplier is key!

you're 100% correct, this goes for all meds, although some substances like HGH and CHG, are very sensitive to light and temp. I see a lot of guys out there, a lot of my friends, who buy and order stuff like this over the net or from a guy's car boot and in the end it's a huge waste of money.
I'm especially concerned about the stuff coming in from China as there is no quality control whatsoever. you have no idea what you're buying. i know this for a fact as my brother is in the medical field and ao manufactures rapid test kits (aids, malaria, drugs etc), they imported materials from China once, only once... now they pay more but import from Germany where there is very strict quality control and the materials are stored and transported correctly.

No personal experience with HGH from China , but AAS been excellent. There is crap out there, but there are reliable and reputable sources. We all wish we still lived in a world where gear could be sourced from Germany etc with Teutonic quality controls etc , but we simply don't any longer. The stuff from China probably varies in dosage, reliability, quality, etc , but taking price and availability into account it wins hands down in my humble opinion.

Luther wrote:

Hi,
not disputing their quality or effectiveness IF bought from a supplier (legal or illegal) that transports, stores and delivers according to the manufacturers instructions...

"Norditropin® somatropin 15 mg strength must be kept cool at 2-8°C." ...same for Humatrope, google it and see.

I'd rather pay more but be sure that i'm getting what i'm paying for.

lots of guys i know have bought HGH imported from China - FedEx or DHL, with HGH you normally use a test (like sus) for at least 2 weeks before starting with the HGH... the 'results' in all of these cases are from normal AAS usage. If not stored or transported correctly, all the "live" ingredients die and the stuff's useless, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's a fact - all the info is on the net, check out the various manufacturers' web sites (and no, this does not include the Chinese manufacturers)

READ the package insert properly --- its stable for 3 to 4 weeks at room temperature,, If you can afford it go Norditropin -- but R1700 for 30iu is too much for me,, I have found the chinese GH pretty effective -- of course I would prefer Norditropin -- but who can afford it --

true, the stuff from China (China, Korea, Thailand, Russia) is available everywhere - literally, just check out all the local SA web sites selling the stuff, for relatively cheap... or you can buy over the web directly from the Chinese manufacturers for even cheaper… BUT I personally, would rather pay a bit more and put in a bit more effort in order to get the real stuff and know exactly what i'm putting into my body AND know that I'm getting 100% exactly what I’m expecting to get and paying for.
This is just my opinion, but the quality and composition of any AAS that I’m forking my hard earned cash out on, is not negotiable. I will not settle for something that is not 100%, guaranteed.
“Tom and Stan said they had good results on x, y and z” this means absolutely nothing. If the substance has not gone through official, approved and documented medical tests and trials with published results, you can’t assume anything and it’s basically worthless.
Years ago on www.bodybuilder.co.za ( I think it was on the main site or on the forum section), there was a post / slogan: “Read dammit read, dead-lift with your brain – the brain is a muscle capable of hypertrophy “ (OK, I know I’m misquoting but you should get the idea). Facts are facts – and here I’m talking about medical and scientifically proven and documented facts…

Each to his own with regards to what you are prepared to compromise on and what not.
I originally started this post to see if maybe anybody knows of another option regarding HGH – was hoping that some clever scientist have developed a ‘version’ of HGH that is temp and light tolerant and that is dirt cheap

In a perfect world and this is not one, the dude who does that will be able to retire in 1 month of sales .....

Batman "READ the package insert properly --- its stable for 3 to 4 weeks at room temperature"

you've obviously not been to the NovoNordisk web site - Norditropin MUST be kept / stored / transported at between 2C and 8C. Once 'opened' (when you start using it) it can last for up to 3 weeks at up to 25C. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Can one of you guys please answer my original question.

Which was?

In HGH how many IU's is in a mg HGH? Or how do you know how many IU's per product?

Nordi -- 1mg = 3iu


Norditropin = at least R1700 for 30iu

6iu a day = R8500 a month == ok for the elite few,, the rest of us need to use the "cheap chinese imports"

anyways I don't need to look at their website ,,, I have REAL experience with GH ,, I have a nordi box in front of me ,,, you are right once,, opened it can be stored at room temperature for 21days or 2 - 8deg for 28days considering that it can be stored at 2 - 8 deg for a year BEFORE it's opened iit stands to reason that it will last at least 21 days at room temperature BEFORE it's opened

do you know that most of the top pro's were using chinese Jintropin when it was flowing

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Sylvestor Stallone was using CHINESE jintropin -- he was arrested for possesion of it

I have used Nordi ,,, KEfei ,, Nomad ,, Jintropin --- and I know the side effects VERY well ,,, The reputable chinese brands work and are effective

""Live Ingredients"" lol

It's an amino Acid chain -- it's not alive

Well said Batman. Only organisms are alive.

[Sigh] yes, the term "live" was being used loosely....

the FACT of the matter is that ALL the legitimate manufacturers that are registered with medical boards, have proven, documented and AUDITED Q&A (with ISO accreditation) and whose products are FDA tested and approved, state the same thing:
HGH must be STORED and TRANSPORTED in the following way:
- kept out of direct sunlight
- kept between 2C and 8C
- handled with care (ie not be thrown around, shaken etc)

anybody that seriously thinks that any Chinese manufacturer complies to even 1 of the above criteria, must have their heads examined. Personally, I wish that they did as this would mean a huge monthly saving for me!

Furthermore, in my humble personal opinion, I think that anybody that promotes or advises on the use of any AAS of Hormone from a Chinese manufacturer/supplier that does not have some sort of international approved and audited Q&A, is extremely irresponsible. It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously ill/hurt or God forbid, dies, as a result of these ‘products’ – remember the children that died from ao cough medicine out of China??
Now, the moment someone gets ill or dies, all AAS use will be front news again with another world wide anti-AAS crusade.

My opinion, you do and use what you want – good luck.

I Agree with you in part Luther ,,, -- And in a perfect world We would all use Legit Registered Human Grade Pharma,,, but in reality the chinese have brought compounds usually out of reach to most of us,, and they manufacture the raw materials for most of the Big Pharma's

Buying Black market is a risk,, no matter which country it's from,, but for many compounds it is the only choice --- show me a pharmacy you can buy trenbolone or boldenone or masteron or methandrostenelone from?

Too late there is already a world-wide US lead anti-roid campaign

OK - Netro / Batman; I'm financially forced to give the 'generics'/Chinese HGH a try. All i can find is Nomad labs' HGH at R3300 for 10 vials (10IUs @) - this is actually more expensive than Norditropin. Could you maybe refer me to someone or some place/site?

Almost all pharma companies are sourcing raw materials from CH, as well as most of the growth..

At this stage nothing is getting out of CH, not even nutritional products like glutamine and creatine, if you can get your hands on growth snap it up, the demand is far greater than supply at this stage.

Hi Luther,
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