the big debate insulin.......

i have done 4 cycles before the last 2 being decent cycles involving test/dbol/equi/tren/anavar/whinny and dont think i hav left any out..... now i hav been considering another cycle of 10 weeks involving:

front loading 20days of 25mg dbol
600mg or 900mg test enanthate a week for the entire cycle
also want to run heat the thermogenic the entire cycle to keep my fat down and shred me a bit as i know i am on the plus bodyfat now..especially where my abs were!

now i was thinking of running 700mg equi a week BUT i want to change this for insulin... start at 3iu daily i have researched thoroughly but my mates still all say im nuts.....

on the pct side i want to keep heat going as it stops cortisol production
and kessar/nolvadex 40mg a day for 15 days
and ovidrel 250iu

i know the slin will do amazing things so lets hear everyones input! ps i work at a pc all day so keeping an eye on my blood sugar levels is easy!

I've got a theory on insulin and it goed as follows: If your not a pro stay away from the stuff as far as possible because this shit can kill you. It's really not worth it. Most deaths in body building are caused by insulin or duretics (i know the spellings a bit off).

u only go hypo if you dont watch the time, hav the necessary carbs and glucose on hand..oh and if u arent carefull with your timing yet again lol

Dude. I agree the rewards of insulin when used responsibly are great but I don't think that it outweighs the risk. The point i'm trying to make is if you're not making money out of the sport don't put your life on the line.

no for sure i appreciate the response..the thing is everyone is scared to comment coz they all think insulin is the devil or dont know enough. i have researched for months and come to the conclusion that there are safe ways to do it and stupid was to do it! thanks for your input

Just besafe and please read the following, it's one the best pieces of info on insulin use. www.steroid.com/Insulin.php

lol thats one of the places i got info from

tiburon wrote:

the thing is everyone is scared to comment coz they all think insulin is the devil or dont know enough.

I think you hit the nail on the head i.e. scared cos we don't know enough!

true i dont know if it is possible to ever know enough about slin

What dose do you plan to start with?
How long do you plan to run?
What PCT do you have planned after you stop slin?

i just typed a huge explanation and it logged me out let me retype....dammmmmmmm

wel i plan to start with 3iu and up it from there to see my tolerance. the so called standard is 1iu per 20pounds of bodyweight,im weighing 87kgs now so it is just below 9iu but prefer to stay at about 6 or 7iu but all will be figured out once i start as i myt not tolerate as much as 6 or 7 so will have to see!

now this is also very contravercial..i plan to take on days i train...5days a week. but some information has said 21 days and some have said up to 45 days. i am planning 8-10 week cycle test enanthate 600mg or 900mg a week..600mg should suffice,also front load with dbol. so not sure when would be best to run it! i am trying to find more about cycle lengths as i hav found many variations of lengths!

pct is very rare to find info on. the beta cells in the pancreas produce insulin. i have researched metformin(added in below) and vanadyl but i have found other drugs which look more interesting: look below

* Insulin secretagogues. These encourage the production of insulin from the pancreas, and include glibenclamide (eg Daonil) and glipizide (eg Minodiab).
* Biguanides. These improve the effectiveness of insulin by reducing the amount of glucose released from the liver and improving the way glucose is used by muscles. The only one available in the UK drug is called metformin (eg Glucophage).
* Thiazolidinediones (glitazones). These reduce the body's resistance to insulin and are sometimes used with metformin and sulphonylurea if other standard treatments aren't working or aren't tolerated.
* Other drugs include acarbose (Glucobay) - which lowers blood glucose by slowing down the digestion of some carbohydrates - and nateglinide (Starlix) - which stimulates insulin release.

i am considering glipzide(minodiab)

tiburon wrote:

the thing is everyone is scared to comment coz they all think insulin is the devil or dont know enough.

we all think we are god but somepeople dont like playing with other peoples lives,i am one of them,so thats why people dont comment on slin,not that they dont know enough,it is the the case that everyone can handle different dosages,and after your "Months" of research u've come to the conclusion that slin is safe then u have done more research than many a man coz even after months of research most people consider it a dangerous substance to use,so i am not quite sure how u have come to the conclusion it is safe...but this is your choice,we can only watch you stick your hand and the fire,even though we have warned u are gonna get burned you are the only one who can experience it for your self.

dude i never said its safe but i said

"i have researched for months and come to the conclusion that there are safe ways to do it and stupid was to do it!"
which is true

lets ask people here, how many have you that have tried insulin have had a scary experience with it even though u gave been taking it in a safe way. Dude look at graison,had all the right advice from all the right people ---> uncle chris is the one advising him and he knows his shit. and even with all that knowledge he still nearly went hypo...the fact is even though u may have stumbled on the safe way to do it,you still dont realise the implications. and right now you are not muscular enough to enjoy the benefits of it,rather stick to muti,its alot safer,granted maybe a little bit more expensive but in the long run u are not gonna be running back to the forum saying that you have this that and the next thing happen to u whilst using slin...ey whilst u at it,i can get u some crystal meth,i promise that there are safe ways to do that too,maybe even heroin...give those a try too...

Obviously you lads know each other so I would listen to DJ here. Thing is, I really don't want to see a post from you in the near future saying you have been diagnosed with diabetes and now have to take insulin permanently. Rather hit the limit with gear and then look at slin and GH etc

lol! graison did go hypo bro... he took a huge shot of slin...he pushed it too far. after 2x 2L cokes he started coming ryt.
lets be honest u dont have to be extremely muscular to benefit from it but i was planning on waiting anyway! in the end if u go hypo or not is all up to the person and how prepared they are! i have a glucometer and a heart rate monitor. also glucose tabs. im not saying im prepared but im getting as much as i can

Netro wrote:

Obviously you lads know each other so I would listen to DJ here. Thing is, I really don't want to see a post from you in the near future saying you have been diagnosed with diabetes and now have to take insulin permanently. Rather hit the limit with gear and then look at slin and GH etc

thanks for backing me up on this one here netro...


well now from what u just told me about graison doesnt that make u think that even having that much sugar and not coming right makes it alright for every tom dick and harry to use?

lol yea unfortunately hahaha joking bud! the problem is insulin so is anabolic it is ridiculous!
no ofcourse not thats why im researching it!
ok if i decide to try glucophage first do you guys think it has decent benefits?

but tren is anabolic 5 times more than test.,rather use that.

makes me go all emo bud...and plus after 6 weeks eish...

well emo > Hypo. and u planning on running slin for 6 weeks solid.good god i have witnessed the birth of dumb ass..

no im saying 6weeks of tren is hectic

well rather be it hectic on your mind than hectic on your body and go into a coma.we are trying to warn u about this because in the end u are the one who masters his own destiny.and we trying to make that destiny a good one not a complete and utter fuck up of one!

no for sure i get what ur saying! ok wel i better get some work done i'll be back on later lol