Help me save my cyle (if it can be saved)

Hi Guys

As you can see first time to the forum. I am a real noob at all of this. I took some advice from a mate of mine (who I must say is a lean mean bugger) on roids and what to use.
I got some keifei injectables from a very reliable source and have been using them for about 9 weeks now.
Initially in saw some decent results with good weight gain and fat loss but things have now really come to a halt.
To give you the info you need here are my stats and what I have been using for the last 9 weeks.

Weight 93.5kg
Height 1.82m
BF% 17%

Cycle
week 1 - 5 Deca durabolin 150mg x2ml per week, Testoviron 250mg x2ml per week
Week 5 - 9 Decaphenylbol 100mg x2ml per week, Sustanbolin250mg x2ml per week.

After reading through all the posts etc I have seen that this looks nothing like any cycles posted here. I am about to order another 4 weeks but this time he suggested to go with anavar and test.

Should I carry on with what he is saying or laugh it off and go onto PCT. As I said I noticed some serious results at first strength and weight gain (I went from 85 to 93 in 4 weeks) and I am now pushing 500kg leg press and benching 160 with ease.

Any help will be greatly appreciated from those who are much more knowledgeable than me.

Your cycle seems completely shit dude no offense ur a newbie as u say yet u jump to deca ? There's no signs of an AI or anti prolactin..u did not mention anything about "PCT " or anything

To be honest if I was in your shoes and been using that cycle I rather just do another 3 more weeks of deca then to make it 11-12 weeks and do another 5weeks of test so You will be on test for 2 weeks after deca.. You can do a winstrol bridge up till pct then check out PCT 3 on this forum

Hi Lex

Thanks for the reply. Not sure why I am only seeing it now.

As I said this was advice from a mate (although I wonder how much of a mate he is now)
I did have HCG but never took it as he said only if sides occur which apart from pimples on my back haven't had anything else.

Will go with the rest of your suggested cycle.

Many thanks

HCG for sides?

Hahaha sorry forgot to go back and edit this.
I had my PCT sorted from day 1 including my HCG etc.
I had been given some Bromo and Astra as well for sides but haven't needed it yet. Going to keep it in case needed during PCT.

Sorry but as I said I am a noob. Will definitely do more research after my op in the new year before starting another cycle.

Thanks for the help again.

Just one last question. With the low dosages I have been taking is it necessary to go with PCT3?
I have had everything for my PCT from day 1. HCG Clomid and Kessar.
Clomid 50mg 1ED 15 days
Kessar 20mg 1ED 30 days
HCG E3d 2500iu.

You used Decca.
Verry suppressive. So for that reason PCT 3 is needed.
You know what I do not get is you gladly forked out thousands on the Steroids but now want to skimp on the most important part. Skimp on PCT and you are bound to lose almost all you gained on cycle if not all.

Not saying I wont do PCT3 just wanted to make sure it was necessary on the low dosages. I have no problem with money otherwise I wouldn't have done roids in the first place. Just means I now have to find a new source in PMB as I got all this when I lived in DBN and don't feel like making the trip down to get anything.

Also what is the difference between ovidrel and hcg? researching they seem pretty similar. What would you recommend considering I have enough for 10 injections at 2500iu/pin.

Ovidrelle is hard to come by these days.

Most of us on here have been using HCG instead for a while now.
Ovidrelle is superior but HCG will also sort you out. Rather try get HCG 5000. I do not have experience with the weaker HCG. But I am sure MA or Pump will correct me where I am wrong. Also I rate they can better answer the HCG vs Ovidrelle question

I wouldn't say ovridel is harder to come by..most people use hcg because they are unaware of ovridel and hcg is more spoken off ️yes ovridel is a tad bit harder to get but really it's not super hard if you have a proper supplier..
this is from the hcg/Ovridel article of this forum
"Pregnyl only have minimal effect on Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and primarily mimic luteinizing hormone (LH). Where Ovidrel is much more superior to Pregnyl, is that it stimulates FSH, LH and TSH (Thyroid-stimulating hormone) production simultaneously thus repairing your testosterone function, sperm production and thyroid function in one go."

Not a problem in terms of supply I don't think but need to get a new source in my area as stated.
I have the HCG 5000 but was told to do 2500 E3D.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Ovidrelle is hard to come by these days.

Most of us on here have been using HCG instead for a while now.
Ovidrelle is superior but HCG will also sort you out. Rather try get HCG 5000. I do not have experience with the weaker HCG. But I am sure MA or Pump will correct me where I am wrong. Also I rate they can better answer the HCG vs Ovidrelle question

I know it says so in the articles but they are incorrect. Ovidrel is not superior to HCG- Ovidrel is just a synthetic version of HCG but it has the same properties and mechanism of action, and it's just as effective.

Thanks for clearing that up Pyro. Ovidrel is made from hamster ovaries that were genetically modified to produce HCG as it is more cost effective than extracting it from pregnant women's urine. Neither is superior in terms of PCT and HPTA recovery.

Awesome thanks for the clarity. What would you recommend in terms of dosage. I have been told 2500iu E3D starting 2 weeks after last injection. Does this sound ok. I know it is different from what is on PCT3 so not sure.

It is best to start the HCG 4 weeks into the cycle and running it all the way up to PCT to prevent full shutdown of the HPTA. A sweet spot dosage is 500iu per week split into two injections.

Shot Pyro. Then I guess I am a little behind. Will start this week then as only have a few weeks left until end of cycle. Do you run it until the end of pct as well?

Normally you only run it during cycle but in this case I would run it during pct too. Take a break while taking Clomid then start the HCG along with the Nolvadex at 500iu twice a week (I.e 1000iu per week) until the vial is finished. When I say run until finished what I mean is you don't have to buy a new vial just because you are a week or two short.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Ovidrelle is hard to come by these days.

Most of us on here have been using HCG instead for a while now.
Ovidrelle is superior but HCG will also sort you out. Rather try get HCG 5000. I do not have experience with the weaker HCG. But I am sure MA or Pump will correct me where I am wrong. Also I rate they can better answer the HCG vs Ovidrelle question

I know it says so in the articles but they are incorrect. Ovidrel is not superior to HCG- Ovidrel is just a synthetic version of HCG but it has the same properties and mechanism of action, and it's just as effective.

Not according to the doc and he has the blood results to prove it

No disrespect at all to the doc, and he was way ahead of his time with his recovery protocol. But that info was posted here years ago before too much was known about ovidrel. No other doctor or medical paper I am aware of has made the same claims.

Doc said that ovidrel will give you a triple effect because it has the same alpha sub unit as LH, FSH and TSH, and that pregnyl only has an effect on LH. But the thing is that Pregynl/HCG also has the same alpha sub unit as LH, FSH and TSH just like ovidrel.

I will share that with him and see what he says.

00pump wrote: I will share that with him and see what he says.

Great. Read the first paragraph here about pregnyl and it's alpha sub unit: www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/p/pregnyl/pregnyl_pi.pdf

Will do, not related but read www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10875887

On that matter, check this out: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21491386

A summary of findings after analysing results of 11 different trials that compared rhCG with urinary hCG.

"We conclude that there is no evidence of difference between rhCG or rhLH and uhCG in achieving final follicular maturation in IVF, with equivalent pregnancy rates and OHSS incidence. According to these findings uHCG is still the best choice for final oocyte maturation triggering in IVF and ICSI treatment cycles."